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Demon
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Is there a well-supported alternative to using frames in which the bandwidth-saving feature still exists? I want to make a two-pane navigator in which all the folders are displayed in one pane and all the files and previews to the right.
I could use CSS and make it all one page, but that would mean it would have to download all the directories, files, and previews every single time and that would be horrible for dial-up users.
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spandiv
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There are a few different ways to emulate frames using CSS and JavaScript, but it really depends on how much experience you have using those technologies. In any case, here is one cool way to use AJAX: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/navigation.html. You should note that he is importing the separate site navigation into the page, and then using CSS to position it. If this doesn't make much sense to you, then I'd probably just stick to using frames.  |
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Demon
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I know about AJAX - I like how it gets everything all clean and shiny. :)
No, but really, I'll use it -- I have Prototype and everything -- but how well supported is AJAX?
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spandiv
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Demon wrote: I know about AJAX - I like how it gets everything all clean and shiny. :)
No, but really, I'll use it -- I have Prototype and everything -- but how well supported is AJAX? |
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benryves
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 10:03:57 am Post subject: |
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| Is there any particular reason not to use frames? |
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Demon
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 11:08:25 am Post subject: |
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I hear from everyone that frames are pretty much horrible for reasons assorted.
I played around with them a few days ago, but I could never get those unsightly white lines to go away, and when I moved the attribute that was supposed to turn them off to <frameset>, the XHTML validator screamed at me.
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benryves
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 11:13:09 am Post subject: |
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In the same vein that "goto" is evil (when it can be useful and increase readability of code) and that tables are bad (even for tabular data?)  |
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Demon
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 11:18:44 am Post subject: |
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In a way, I guess. :P
I probably would have gone on and used the frame method if I could have ever gotten those white lines off and the page still validated. I ended up going with AJAX instead.
I hope AJAX is widely supported...
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benryves
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 11:57:36 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, "Ajax" has been around since IE5 days; the Outlook team developed XMLHTTP (now XmlHttpRequest) for Outlook Web Access. You need a bit of fudging around to get it to work to its best ability across all browsers, but that's true for all JavaScript-ish code. |
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magicdanw
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 01:14:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I dislike frame-based sites because they can make it difficult to link to a specific page while maintaining the proper page layout. |
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