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Arcane Wizard
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AlienCC
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After reading the document, I couldn't agree more with everything found in it.
But I don't think we should promote anyone to the Staff position until after the contest ends...I don't see any reason why we should wait that long for the other improvements though.
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Arcane Wizard
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| If some of the other admins (JBirk, Bryan) reply with their opinions and they're satisfied I'll start on it ASAP. |
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| the "Forum structure and regulation" section sounds like something I could get started on in the TI-Basic forum at any time... |
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Arcane Wizard
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Most of that is higher level though, but you could make use of the labels-in-topic-titles rule, sure. You wouldn't even need permission for that, though it'd be nice to apply it in all forums at the same time, and accompanying it with a forum news post, and waiting untill after any changes to the moderation team.
I didn't really intend this to be read by the moderators, though, only realised it this afternoon when leofox told me he could, not that it matters.
Now that I think about it, it's cool to have feedback from the mods too, since a lot of changes will resolve around you guys and I can use more feedback.
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Bryan Thomas
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I think all of your analyis, while correct, have nothing to do with the problems of UTI
UTI's problem, is that it isnt even really a programming group, its a forum. We do not keep track of our members at all. Most likely because there is way to many of them, and we let them in to easily. I think in order to make UTI better, we must be viewed as a prestigious programming group.
Not a group with like 50 members with only 5-10 really impacting the TI-Community. I know it is called United TI. But that was because 4 Ti Groups merged. All who had very prestigious standards...
I mean look at MaxCoderz and popular it is. It is so popular because of the immense skill its members have. They are all the best at, or extremely talented at what they do. This makes them very popular, and have a huge fan base. They always have big releases, which UTI has not really been doing (Cept Contra)
When I think of UTI this is what comes to my head. May be wrong, may not. but that is the impression that I get. It seems the forum is concentrated on so much, that the other more important stuff seems obsolete  |
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AlienCC
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I think we should start with re-organizing the forums to the way specified in the document. This should be done in the very near future, maybe not today but before the end of this week.
Some of the updates and improvements will take time to implement, weeks months, I don't know yet. Some of them don't need to be implemented right now, but rather over the next few weeks. Some of them we can get started on as soon as we hear from JBirk.
Additionally I want to note that we really only need one new staff member at the moment...if after a few months we want an additional one Then that would be ok. But I would prefer this to start out as a Super/Global mod so as not to make this person uneligible for the programming contest in case they were planning to participate, or have already signed up.
Any other suggestions that anyone who can read this thread (originally intended or not) provides would be welcome.
[Edit]Additionally why do we not have Digitan's project Robot Wars as a featured project with its own forum?[/Edit]
--AlienCC
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Arcane Wizard
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Bryan Thomas wrote: I think all of your analyis, while correct, have nothing to do with the problems of UTI
UTI's problem, is that it isnt even really a programming group, its a forum. We do not keep track of our members at all. Most likely because there is way to many of them, and we let them in to easily. I think in order to make UTI better, we must be viewed as a prestigious programming group.
Not a group with like 50 members with only 5-10 really impacting the TI-Community. I know it is called United TI. But that was because 4 Ti Groups merged. All who had very prestigious standards...
I mean look at MaxCoderz and popular it is. It is so popular because of the immense skill its members have. They are all the best at, or extremely talented at what they do. This makes them very popular, and have a huge fan base. They always have big releases, which UTI has not really been doing (Cept Contra)
When I think of UTI this is what comes to my head. May be wrong, may not. but that is the impression that I get. It seems the forum is concentrated on so much, that the other more important stuff seems obsolete
I wouldn't see that as the only problem, more like just another one. And since it's easier to reorganise a forum's structure and moderating team I left it to that for now.
Also, processes like management and forum moderation are supportive to the processes of completing good projects, especially team projects, providing a solid working area for such plans.
That's what we need to correct first.
And projects aren't the only cool things a programming group can produce. The assembly contest, for example, is currently taking up a lot (AFAIK/IMHO) of AlienCC's time, and if we had a more communicative, structured, and (therefore?) motivated team it would've been much easier to execute.
Of course, reorganising isn't going to make us magically kickstarting UTI to life and producing awesome projects every day, but with people communicating more, plans being actively discussed, input being expected and respected from the entire team, there's a much better chance of new projects being started and finished succesfully.
Quote: But I would prefer this to start out as a Super/Global mod so as not to make this person uneligible for the programming contest in case they were planning to participate, or have already signed up. Good point, perhaps we can wait with assigning new staff untill after the contest.
I really want to reorganise the forum/subforum structure before the end of this week and the moderating team accordingly, though.
Quote: Additionally why do we not have Digitan's project Robot Wars as a featured project with its own forum? Well, orginally, the featured project forum was just there for people who'd want to use it. They would message one of the admins and get a forum to work in that way. I don't think there's anyone left that knows that though.
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shadowing
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Most if not all analysis is correct Arcane Wizard. i highly believe that Sir Robin and Digitan should be promoted. They are practically active every day.
I am here at least every day looking. :P
The forum structure should be reorganized.
It is time for UTI to have a spring reorganization clean up.
Why not also add a link to the IRC chatroom of UTI? |
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Brazucs
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Open Topic, Humor and Jokes, Games and Entertainment, and Rants and Raves all into one category, or sub-categories?
One category would make it even more chaotic! |
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NETWizz
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What the fuck is a UTI moderators group doing. Hum, will have to check this out soon.
We aren't making all forum moderators a member of a special group are we?
Well whatever.
Anyway, After reading the Report, I have concluded that we need to make 1 or 2 Global Moderators.
Then, after the contest select 1 of the Global Mods to be a Staff Member. |
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Arcane Wizard
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You merged the moderating forum with the staff forum, I think that also merged the permissions. : )
In that scenario, I think it'd be nice to assign a second global moderator after promoting 1 to staff. But I really think we should get 2 new staff members. Maybe 2 global/senior mods now, promote to staff later, replace with 2 new global/senior mods?
Quote: Open Topic, Humor and Jokes, Games and Entertainment, and Rants and Raves all into one category, or sub-categories?
One category would make it even more chaotic! Nobody posts in games and entertainment, ~nobody posts in rants and raves, and ~nobody posts in humor and jokes, we've had it like that before, was nothing wrong with it, and currently there aren't an awefull lot of posts in open topic either. Forums all over the world with 100x more members work fine without all of these categories split up.
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shadowing
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Arcane Wizard wrote: In that scenario, I think it'd be nice to assign a second global moderator after promoting 1 to staff. But I really think we should get 2 new staff members. Maybe 2 global/senior mods now, promote to staff later, replace with 2 new global/senior mods?
I concur. That seems like a good way to go. |
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AlienCC
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Go ahead and re-order the forums to how you suggested in the document when you get a chance.
I still think we only need 1 new staff member right now, if that doesn't prove to be adequate after a month or so we can always appoint another staff member.
Of course whomever we choose should be appointed global mod until after the contest is over, then at that time they should be appointed as a full staff member...this is of course to keep them eligible for the contest should they choose to participate.
Which leaves for the short term future selecting between Digitan and Sir Robin for global mod, discussion?
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NETWizz
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There were never any permission problems until you created the UTI Moderators group.
Each time we want to add a forum moderator, are we supposed add them to the UTI MOderators group?
That is a bit insane! |
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Adm.Wiggin
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I was touched that my name and an accurate description appeared in the document. 'Twas a nice read, too  |
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leofox
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Jbirk wrote: There were never any permission problems until you created the UTI Moderators group.
Each time we want to add a forum moderator, are we supposed add them to the UTI MOderators group?
That is a bit insane!
Why is that insane? It's not like you add new moderators every week or so. |
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