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Arcane Wizard
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| What would be the best step after reading CoBB's tutorial on Z80 ASM programming to get a basic grip on graphics/anything else needed to make a complete game/program? (I'd prefer a tutorial that, like CoBB's tutorial, doesn't just learn you how to use a particular library of routines, and nothing more) |
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Arcane Wizard
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Hello, anybody here?  |
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Job the GameQuitter
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| The 28 days tutotorial covers just about everything the 83+ has to offer. |
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Arcane Wizard
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| But I don't have a plus, so won't a lot of the (b)calls and memory addresses be different or simply inexistent? |
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Jeffrey
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| Isnt ASM guru for TI-83? I dont like it, but maybe it will suit you. |
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sgm
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Arcane Wizard wrote: But I don't have a plus, so won't a lot of the (b)calls and memory addresses be different or simply inexistent?
Well, since you're referencing all the memory addresses and system entry points through equates, all you need is to use the TI-83 include file and put maybe:
#define b_call(xxx) call xxx
And it should be fine. Watch out for the VAT and TI-83+-specific things though. |
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sgm
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| Posted: 08 Dec 2003 01:04:02 pm Post subject: |
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Job the GameQuitter wrote: The 28 days tutotorial covers just about everything the 83+ has to offer.
From an ASAP point of view. When you do applications, there's a whole mess o' useless trash you can waste your time with. |
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shadowing
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| Posted: 06 Jan 2004 07:52:37 pm Post subject: |
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For those dudes, who have abandoned this topic, I'm a newb. However, my suggesion for some newbs like me is to first just read jeffrey chai's ti83+ asm tutorial them read learning asm in 28 days.  |
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DarkerLine
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| What is the best 68k tutorial? |
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Adm.Wiggin
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| Have you looked on ticalc.org for good tuts.? they seem to have some ok stuff usually, but then again, there is a whole load of useless crap on there too. |
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DarkerLine
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| Posted: 27 Jan 2004 12:57:55 pm Post subject: |
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Adm.Wiggin wrote: Have you looked on ticalc.org for good tuts.? they seem to have some ok stuff usually, but then again, there is a whole load of useless crap on there too.
I couldn't find any tutorials on ticalc.org, the only thing I found was how to stop the user from using the on key to break in completely Basic programs. |
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sgm
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| Posted: 27 Jan 2004 03:46:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sir Robin wrote: What is the best 68k tutorial?
They all suck (especially the old Technoplaza one).
Maybe I should write one for fun. My English teacher tells me I need to practise writing outside of school. |
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shadowing
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| Posted: 27 Jan 2004 06:07:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know much about 68 K so I'll agreee with nobody and say I don't know. |
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DarkerLine
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shadowing wrote: Don't know much about 68 K so I'll agreee with nobody and say I don't know.
very useful post I will be able to get hundreds of excellent tutorials from. |
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shadowing
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| Posted: 28 Jan 2004 06:18:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Stop being sarcastic. I found a websit that might know. 68k tutorials. |
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sgm
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That's just the programmer's manual, so just a description of the opcodes available. It's good if you already know the ins and outs of another kind of assembly, but a tutorial...
Okay, if you are really desperate:
New Technoplaza Lessons
Not much to go with.
Old Technoplaza Lessons
These were written by a real winner:
Quote: Please consider switching to TIGCC. C is superior to assembly in almost every respect. Why challenge that? You will notice little if any difference in speed between C and assembly programs, so the benefits FAR outweigh the costs. Trust me, switch to TIGCC. Let my new series of lessons help you in this. C is very easy, trust me.
Quote: Update (June 28, 2001): This was the final lesson in this series of assembly lessons due to the warning given at the beginning. If you wish to continue with assembly, you will need to learn it on your own. I recommend switching to C programming, as it is much easier than assembly.
Kevin Kofler's Tutorial
Pretty okay. But it really only describes about setting up programming on a calculator, no real info on problem solving.
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shadowing
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| Posted: 28 Jan 2004 07:24:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope that someone would write a tutorial. Maybe there's a book on it. You never know. |
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Jedd
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Here's my dream for a book:
Making the Switch
TI BASIC to Z80ASM
By Someone Really Clever
I think we need someone to write a review aimed specifically at those who want to move on from Basic to Asm. Explain the similarities and differences in lamen (sp?) terms so that anyone can understand. The team to write the book should consist of 50% pro Asm programmers and 50% Basic programmers. During the writing of the book, the Basic programmers would learn how to program Asm and give suggestions about how you can better explain something and answer the common questions.
When you understand something really well, like a lot of Asm tutorial writers, it's difficult for normal people to understand. If anyone wants to do something great for the betterment of humanity, here's your chance. |
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DarkerLine
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Similarities: almost none.
Differences: a lot. If you want to learn asm, the best advice is to forget all you know about basic and start over.
Does that help? |
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shadowing
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| Posted: 29 Jan 2004 04:59:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it does. I'm still in a stage where asm is almost similar to basic. Although I know it's not, I think that. Maybe United TI should write this tutorial. |
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Z80 & 68k Assembly => z80 & ez80 Assembly
