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I'd go so far as to claim that all programming is a form of art. Poor programming is poor art, and elegant and efficient programming is like a beautiful masterpiece. 
KermMartian wrote:
I'd go so far as to claim that all programming is a form of art. Poor programming is poor art, and elegant and efficient programming is like a beautiful masterpiece.
Unless its perl, then it just looks like someone banged their head on their keyboard. 
but seriously good code is indeed art. 
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"If you've done something right no one will know that you've done anything at all" -Futurama
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TheStorm wrote:
KermMartian wrote:
I'd go so far as to claim that all programming is a form of art. Poor programming is poor art, and elegant and efficient programming is like a beautiful masterpiece.
Unless its perl, then it just looks like someone banged their head on their keyboard. but seriously good code is indeed art.
For a more literal take on the code-as-art, check out some of the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Code_Contest
I'd say programming is more likely to be taken as a form of engineering or science long before it is taken as a form of art, with the obvious exception of the IOCCC.
benryves wrote:
I'd say programming is more likely to be taken as a form of engineering or science long before it is taken as a form of art, with the obvious exception of the IOCCC.
In a strict interpretation, programming absolutely is viewed as a science or a part of engineering, but I'd argue that the amount of effort and skill that goes into some pieces of code (like fidgety assembly networking interrupts, to draw on some of my recent painful experiences) makes it an art form. 
I dare anyone to say Dwarf Fortess is not art.
And if you insist, the results of it are certainly art. This is really just a generalization of the 'Are games art?' question. IMO, perhaps the tool itself is not art, but it's certainly suitable for creation of proper art.
And if you insist, the results of it are certainly art. This is really just a generalization of the 'Are games art?' question. IMO, perhaps the tool itself is not art, but it's certainly suitable for creation of proper art.
KermMartian wrote:
I'd argue that the amount of effort and skill that goes into some pieces of code (like fidgety assembly networking interrupts, to draw on some of my recent painful experiences) makes it an art form.
Based on that argument, you'd quickly lose. Art has nothing to do with skill, or effort, or work, or anything like that.
For something to be art, it must be intended as art, which most programs are not.
So no, programming is not art. Programming is a form of engineering - its goal is to solve a problem, not evoke emotion or be admired.
The Tari wrote:
And if you insist, the results of it are certainly art. This is really just a generalization of the 'Are games art?' question. IMO, perhaps the tool itself is not art, but it's certainly suitable for creation of proper art.
Not at all the same. Paintings are art but paint brushes aren't.
Kllrnohj wrote:
KermMartian wrote:
I'd argue that the amount of effort and skill that goes into some pieces of code (like fidgety assembly networking interrupts, to draw on some of my recent painful experiences) makes it an art form.
Based on that argument, you'd quickly lose. Art has nothing to do with skill, or effort, or work, or anything like that.
For something to be art, it must be intended as art, which most programs are not.
So no, programming is not art. Programming is a form of engineering - its goal is to solve a problem, not invoke emotion.
"Always code as if the person who will maintain your code is a maniac serial killer that knows where you live" -Unknown
"If you've done something right no one will know that you've done anything at all" -Futurama
"Have a nice day, or not, the choice is yours." Tom Steiner
<Michael_V> or create a Borg collective and call it The 83+
<Michael_V> Lower your slide cases and prepare to be silent linked. Memory clears are futile.
Kllrnohj wrote:
The Tari wrote:
And if you insist, the results of it are certainly art. This is really just a generalization of the 'Are games art?' question. IMO, perhaps the tool itself is not art, but it's certainly suitable for creation of proper art.
Not at all the same. Paintings are art but paint brushes aren't.
There are two types of people in the world: those who can extrapolate data from incomplete data
TheStorm wrote:
Kllrnohj wrote:
KermMartian wrote:
I'd argue that the amount of effort and skill that goes into some pieces of code (like fidgety assembly networking interrupts, to draw on some of my recent painful experiences) makes it an art form.
Based on that argument, you'd quickly lose. Art has nothing to do with skill, or effort, or work, or anything like that.
For something to be art, it must be intended as art, which most programs are not.
So no, programming is not art. Programming is a form of engineering - its goal is to solve a problem, not invoke emotion.
IOCCC eh? That's so awesome. Too bad I only program in C occasionally. I think if I worked at it, I could code something to that standard. I know that 97 percent of game programming is art. Engineering requires so much drawing and stuff, it's art. Anyway, I shouldn't reply to my own question... But that's where most of the art is. Not really much poetry in command line C though...
You're allowed to answer your own question for a question like that! And if you could write C/C++ code in meter-compliant form, (somehow), that would be amazing.
Meter-compliant form? I can't find anything programming related on Wikipedia or Google. Sounds like something having to do with SI...?
adept wrote:
Meter-compliant form? I can't find anything programming related on Wikipedia or Google. Sounds like something having to do with SI...?
No, meter, as in the syllable and rhyming scheme in a poem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter_%28poetry%29
"Always code as if the person who will maintain your code is a maniac serial killer that knows where you live" -Unknown
"If you've done something right no one will know that you've done anything at all" -Futurama
"Have a nice day, or not, the choice is yours." Tom Steiner
<Michael_V> or create a Borg collective and call it The 83+
<Michael_V> Lower your slide cases and prepare to be silent linked. Memory clears are futile.
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