Hello,
does anyone know where to obtain this algorithm?
Has ANYONE posted online this before or written this as a book
or PDF? If not, where can I obtain the research info?

Does Cemetech provide it?
If so, I'll credit Cemetech with anything they want in my
final product... Like the link to Cemetech with their picture
in the "about" window? Anything to Cemetech's preference...
I just want to use this as strictly personal use. Maybe it'll go
on ticalc.org but can be stopped if Cemetech tells me not to
after they provide me with an algorithm. It would be really
helpful. If anyone is offended my request after Cemetech's research behind the token stuff and the conversion stuff, please
don't be offended! I just want to simply know... If you are still
offended, I, then, want to know where to get the research materials...
I am not sure if you can get more offended than that...

Also, if Cemetech DOES provide me with Algorithm and I do make
a final product, than to Cemetech's preference, I'll contribute it.

But other than that, I want it for STRICTLY MY PERSONAL USE!

Thank You!
Keehun Nam

Ghaphlink has that ability, also, check out sourcecoder @ http://sc.cemetech.net (Check sourcecoder first)

Thanks.
However I had that in mind, but I don't want to download
GraphLink.
Yes, I knew about Cemetech's Source Coder from Basic Elite...
It's pretty good but I just wanted to make a personal desktop program
without having to either log in (I know about the automatic login) or
even open up firefox or IE...
You know, just a basic textbox with a single button called "Parse" or "Test"
because i already have VTI. Maybe if I get the algorithm I've asked for,
I'll start building and use it with my VTI...
And also contribute to Cemetech... maybe, i'll be useful.
I tried the Source Coder's Online Program Editor but it looks like bit of problem beause when I type in (the following):

:Disp "HELLO WORLD"

the debug box at the bottom has like 24 errors... i think it's some HTML formatting problem or something...
And the calculator next to it doesn't even work... (At least for me)
I've tried both FireFox and IE7...
Maybe it only supports IE6.
Anyway, please let me know about the algorithm!

Thanks
Keehun Nam

First off, Source Coder is still in BETA and that calculator doesn't work yet for anyone.

I don't know why you can't just download and use Graphlink if you need a "desktop program," but if you insist, the only way to do it would be as follows:

.8xp files are saved as a series of bytes (duh!) each signifying a command. These bytes are interpretted by the parser and used or displayed as necessary. What you would need to do is read each byte from the .8xp file, and find what characters each byte represents. This would be a royal pain in the a, but there is some help out there. The TI83plus.inc file (available on ticalc.org) has a list of all of the tokens the calculator has, and what they represent. So there's the basic idea. I think/hope you can take it from there.

I still think that you are wasting your time, and that downloading and using graphlink is much easier, but suit yourself.

Edit: Would you mind letting wordrap rap your posts from now on. It's a little annoying with all of those hard returns in there.

Thanks a lot!
I'll have a look...

I didn't think of the ti83.inc file!

Well, I know I'm probably wasting my time,
but I need some programming excercize...
I'm in middle school and just want to get some
excercize...

Thanks!
Keehun Nam

Sure thing. What programming language are you going to make this in?

PS. Please, use wordrap

Another person that started programming earlier than I did. Did everyone here start programming before HS or even before MS?

MS for me. Why not just use graphLink?! Anyway, those HTML errors are because I was messing around with something and forgot to change it back. The features of the virtual calc that work so far are in fact only verified for FF; I can't promise anything with IE.

pwnt, 2nd grade was Logo, 6th grade was Java.

and if its just for your desktop, then get GraphLink.

Although this will probably make me less of a geek (dunno if that is good or bad), my first experiences in programming were during my freshman year of highschool copying TIBASIC programs out of the math books. I managed to teach myself the language from those examples and a lot of trial and error. Ironically, I was first introduced into calculator games by my friend freshman year. Now, I make the games he plays

Pwnt yourself. I wasn't counting LOGO - if we are, it's 1st grade for me.

Well, I just looked at some Visual Basic sample codes and saw it too easy.
I thought "No Way!" but then I got addicted to it and I looked around for
a tool to use... I found Microsoft Studio 2005 Express and it's pretty
good so I just got hooked up to it... Although that takes too much time from
my studing time.... Yah, I gotta study a ton but that gets me distracted...
Well, I don't know what LOGO is!
And I kinda got hooked up to this "programming stuff" in 6th grade when
all my friends started to make programs on their Graphing Calc... I didn't
get one till few month ago, but I just got hooked up to it...
But now, I've gotta study and I don't have any game/program ideas within
my programming skills... I haven't got much... Well, I'm fairly good at Visual
Basic... (2005 NOT 6!)

And for that program I'm gonna make, it'll be in Visual Basic 2005 and it'll
require the huge microsoft framework 2....
Anyway, does anyone know how to work around the framework 2?
I've been looking at like RealBasic or Visual Basic 6, but both don't really
have good and positive results as far as previous users...

And can anyone give me some program/game idea?
Excluding:
*Pong
*Grade Program

But I'm thinking of trying to make a BASIC-Side-Scroll Engine... I've been
desperately needing one...

Okay, this will be my last question for now...
How do you use:

DS<(
IS>(

I've been wordering for a whole lot of time....

Thanks!
Keehun Nam

Questions like that belong in the Basic sub forum. And if you had bothered to check, you would see that those exact instructions were covered by TI-Freak here. Please try to find the answer out yourself before posting a question, especially when it has already been covered.

I use VB6. It would work fine for what you want to do with this program. As for other programs...I dunno. I haven't used other forms of visual basic, but I've heard that vb.net is the best.

Yup, Dan made an awesome guide about IS and DS. You should check it out.

I, on the other hand, just told people not to use it in the 1337 Guide.

Because you didn't know how to use it, not because you disapprove of it, right?

VB sucks
.NET Framework 2.0 isn't large
VB.NET sucks

I guess if you are just starting out with a lang VB is OK, but not great.

To parse a .8xp is very, very easy. Just remember that the data doesn't start until byte 74 (if i remember right) and ends at (len - 2) - the tilp docs have more info on the file format ( http://www.ticalc.org/pub/text/calcinfo/tixx_guide.zip ), ticalc.org also has some good texts on the format

so just skip to byte 74, then read 1 byte. If the byte is the identifier for a sub-array (for example, 5C) then you read the next byte to see which value in the array of 5C it is.

Since that is probably clear as mud, here are some examples... (byte values are enclosed in [] and are in HEX)

[0x1] = >DMS
[0x30] = 0
[0x60][0x00] = Pic1

Yup, the decoding/encoding table for SC2 is about 50k total.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/TIFreakware/index.php?showtopic=285

There are a lot more interesting tricks: http://z4.invisionfree.com/TIFreakware/index.php?showforum=60

Dan is good with those tutorials. Even I never knew what they did until he posted that. Even so, I tend not to use them.