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SnugenZ


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Posted: 29 Nov 2003 11:54:41 pm    Post subject:
Why must my basic programs always end up clearing my ram when I decide to have them in MirageOS? -- I have a ti-83+ Silver
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NETWizz
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 03:02:20 am    Post subject:
There are bugs in the basic program handler because it is experimental, uses complicated undocumented hooks, and TI made changes to the Silver.
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JacobdeHaan


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 05:09:15 am    Post subject:
Oh, I thought that the problems only showed up in the newer OS's and worked fine in the older ones that were around when they first released MirageOS.
Now, how do you go about "discovering" an undocumented romcall?

Also, what are the differences between the Silver and plain 83+ (besides processor speed and memory.)

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Babyboy


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 09:52:05 am    Post subject:
i didn't think basic programs could be done in mirage? Neutral (how?)
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Tyler


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 11:10:22 am    Post subject:
Funny thing, JacobdeHann, TI gives away their "undocumented calls" right off their own site. I don't have the site name in my head but I know it's around their somewhere. Some calls like _newLine are undocumented!
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SnugenZ


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 12:51:39 pm    Post subject:
BabyBoy, I don;t reccomend you do this, put if you want your basic program found within mirage type this at the very first line of your program

::"Programs name / description
:ClrHome
:Code Here

I was very upset, cause I put a 59 line program in mirage -- ran it -- waited waited waited -- then it said Ram Cleared out of the blue -- So It's awesome if your program isn;t "Mirage Buggy" but if it has a tini glitch ur fuC*** ... Stupid Mirage
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Basjuh


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 12:56:18 pm    Post subject:
why would you want to run a BASIC prog in Mirage anyway, it hasnt any advantages...
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Fr0sty


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 01:57:47 pm    Post subject:
It has the advantage of space; you can run programs bigger han 23k and/or run multiple programs. Also, the reason why only SOME say ram cleared is because you can't use sum commands in MirageOS (I read this when i downloaded something on ticalc.org). Input is one thing you can't use that i'm pretty sure of, i think you can't use labels too.
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:00:42 pm    Post subject:
Fr0sty wrote:
It has the advantage of space; you can run programs bigger han 23k and/or run multiple programs.

How would you create programs over 23K in the first place?

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you can't use sum commands in MirageOS (I read this when i downloaded something on ticalc.org). Input is one thing you can't use that i'm pretty sure of, i think you can't use labels too.


do you mean 'some commands'? I think I'll try making a list of what you can't use.
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SnugenZ


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:01:37 pm    Post subject:
it's funny, because, most of my programs are made up of inputs ... If you could find me a list that;d be great!
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:03:01 pm    Post subject:
SnugenZ wrote:
If you could find me a list that;d be great!

'Find' a list? I'm pretty sure no one's ever made one before. I'll have to test small programs with only one command...
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Fr0sty


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:07:07 pm    Post subject:
Sorry, I haven't posted in a messageboard in a while so my internet english is a bit off. I guess what I meant by making progs over 23k was like Pokemon Red where it's split into like 50 different progs (Z1 Z2 etc) and all of them together is greater than 23k.
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:10:46 pm    Post subject:
I'm pretty sure running an archived subprogram wouldn't work - mirage wouldn't know to unarchive it.
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Fr0sty


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:14:25 pm    Post subject:
Oh, well you can make the first (main) program the biggest and have all the subprograms at a really small size saving you however much room the first program took up. Or you'll at least have the advantage of being able to have a description for each program if you have like two algebra programs like:
Alg: Division of really hard variables.
Alg: Multiplication of really hard variables.
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:17:11 pm    Post subject:
'Really hard' meaning the result has to have over 14 digits (or, for division, carrying it to n places)?
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Fr0sty


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 02:20:24 pm    Post subject:
*sigh* I knew I should've put "this is just an example" right there.
Perhaps I'll put it like this:
Chem Notes: Elements
Chem Notes: Compounds
And yes I know you can just name your programs Elements and Compounds. I'm just setting an example here, I really don't need this many posts on one topic.
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 04:32:10 pm    Post subject:
You could use Mirage to lock and hide basic programs.
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Fr0sty


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 04:34:06 pm    Post subject:
Yes! There we go! GOOD IDEA! =D
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 04:39:14 pm    Post subject:
The most important use of mirage in Basic is to get lowercase letters.
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SnugenZ


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Posted: 30 Nov 2003 05:00:57 pm    Post subject:
I think we got a lot off topic --Sir Robin I appreciate you attemtping to make a list though!
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