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werewolf1492
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Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 79
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 08:32:05 pm Post subject: |
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UTI being what it is, and who its run by, has far less of a chance of this happening though. Think about it, overall, its just soo much better. And, I sure wish you had been the archiver when I sent in two of my programs, they took almost, if not a month to finally make it in....
And paying staff wouldnt work unless you could get the site sponsored, and then, only possibly. Perhaps if somebody submitted this site to the official TI site(or people that run it, or the big man at the desk or whatever). And showed what it does, who it helps and such. It could get some sort of recognition? Financial support?
Its not guaranteed, but its not a complete shut out until you try either. |
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DarkerLine ceci n'est pas une |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 8328
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 08:32:58 pm Post subject: |
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echidna wrote: DarkerLine wrote: Ultimately, paying file archivers and calculator programmers would require that calculator programs no longer be free. This would be poison to the calculator community, setting calculator programmers AGAINST calculator gamers when everything we've been doing for over a decade has been FOR them. Plus, it would be impossible, and will remain impossible as long as all the games out there can still be downloaded for free.
DarkerLine, "free" is about freedom, and not about no money. I understand that the aim is open source, which gives freedom to see the code, modify the code, and participate in development and community, the open development. And, it may seem to be impossible, but if to think, it may not be necessarily so. It may be a one time fee for accessing everything in the site, if one buys the calculator, one can pay this as well. I don't talk so much about money, just that something like this may be inevitable, when it would occur that the things would go too much down. I agree it's likely bad now, but may not be so bad solution one day in the future. It is just a suggestion to think about this as well, in the future the things may move in that direction, in all of the open source community, at least, all sourceforge projects already now have a donate button, no one couldn't even think about that a few years ago. But i have seen so many quite good sourceforge projects dying, simply because the developers cannot afford to work further on the project, any more. But of course you are likely right, that it is not good, but it is not good right now.
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I promise you I will do everything I can (and I can do a lot) to stop this from ever happening, now or in the future. I agree that "free" is about freedom, which is why I'm trying to keep the money out of the equation. |
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Harrierfalcon The Raptor of Calcs
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Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 2535
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 08:37:33 pm Post subject: |
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I really, really, really hope UTI doesn't become the next spammed-with-quadratic-equation-solver site.
And I have not seen a day yet in which files I submitted have been up within that very same day. |
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Chasney913
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Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 117
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 08:45:43 pm Post subject: |
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I hope so as well. Although, maybe we could set a record for largest collection of quadratic equation solvers.
I like ticalc.org, but I find the archive structure a bit difficult to find good programs. People need to rate better. Mind you, I prefer to write my own math programs, and only use ticalc for games, which I don't download much anyway.
I'd love to see UTI become a massive calculator site like ticalc, but it would probably come with too much hassle and too many badly-spelling noobs.
By the way, DarkerLine, since we're on a calculator site, I appreciate the "keep the money out of the equation" pun, intentional or not. |
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AlienCC Creative Receptacle!
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Joined: 24 May 2003 Posts: 1927
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 11:17:27 pm Post subject: |
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Harrierfalcon wrote: Ask AlienCC about UTI. It probably cost him more to host this site for the length of time it's been up, than a job at McDonald's earns in 1 (maybe 2) years.[post="116604"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
If it helps you sleep better at night over $3,000 (USD) was spent out of my own pocket just in 2006 to keep United-TI running. That is just one year and we've been around since May in 2003.
Yes we experiemented for a short while on using 3rd party ads to help offset the operating cost of this site. However they did not pay well enough to justify the clutter they added to the page, nor the slower page loading times they caused. That is why the only ads on here now are for UTI products specifically, and located at the bottom of the page where they do not distract as much.
I thank everyone for everything they have and continue to do, to help me feel that my investment in United-TI is a worth-while cause. |
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Harrierfalcon The Raptor of Calcs
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Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 2535
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 11:27:01 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say, despite however geeky programming calculator games is, UTI has definitely helped me gain experience, however informal, as to the development process and techniques of making a game.
UTI is definitely a worthwhile cause. Thank you.
ticalc.org is a great repository, and I hope it doesn't die, but it really could use some more program features, and some more dedicated archivers. But again, dedication needs motivation, and the only current motivation is to keep it alive. |
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jvndrbrg
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: 29 Nov 2007 11:49:57 pm Post subject: |
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AlienCC wrote: If it helps you sleep better at night over $3,000 (USD) was spent out of my own pocket just in 2006 to keep United-TI running. That is just one year and we've been around since May in 2003.
Yes we experiemented for a short while on using 3rd party ads to help offset the operating cost of this site. However they did not pay well enough to justify the clutter they added to the page, nor the slower page loading times they caused. That is why the only ads on here now are for UTI products specifically, and located at the bottom of the page where they do not distract as much.
I thank everyone for everything they have and continue to do, to help me feel that my investment in United-TI is a worth-while cause.
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Wait, why in God's name would you pay that much for a site? Why not pay $10-20 a month for shared hosting and, you know... not spend an idiotic amount? I mean, you can even get an unmanaged rack server for $100/month and that's $1200 at the MOST. Why, because you needed someone to set you up a fancy irc.unitedti.org? Too good for us efnet people? |
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Harrierfalcon The Raptor of Calcs
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Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 2535
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 12:08:48 am Post subject: |
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IIRC, it's his own server, not someone else's. His PHP coding skills are in high demand from what I gleaned from the conference before last, so he probably ended up coding most of it himself. |
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Weregoose Authentic INTJ
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Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3976
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 12:20:43 am Post subject: |
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A quick Google search shows jvndrbrg to be a troll, so I'm guessing that any sort of reply to whatever he says will only give him more incentive to do what he advertises himself as doing best. Ignore him. |
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jvndrbrg
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 12:34:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't troll a lot of things. Because a lot of things make sense. If he owns the server, then he's paying $3000/year in bandwidth, which just makes no sense. |
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spandiv -- Retired --
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Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 650
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 12:37:51 am Post subject: |
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Weregoose wrote: A quick Google search shows jvndrbrg to be a troll, so I'm guessing that any sort of reply to whatever he says will only give him more incentive to do what he advertises himself as doing best. Ignore him. I don't know if you recognize the name, but I believe jvndrbrg is Joshua Vanderburg from Radical Software -- see http://www.radicalsoft.org/members.php. I didn't even know he was still in the TI community |
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jvndrbrg
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 12:39:19 am Post subject: |
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spandiv wrote: I don't know if you recognize the name, but I believe jvndrbrg is Joshua Vanderburg from Radical Software -- see http://www.radicalsoft.org/members.php. I didn't even know he was still in the TI community
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I'm not, really. But I have friends on that members list that are very much involved, as you know, so I keep tabs a tiny bit. |
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DJ Omnimaga http://i-lost-the-ga.me
Calc Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 1196
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 01:46:25 am Post subject: |
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the server where UTI is hosted doesnt just contains UTI, it contains many other sites listed in his signature, about 40 other sites listed on nosolution.net (nosolution being one of those), and I believe there is many more sites not listed here that he worked on for companies.
And yes jvndbrg is a troll, like 98% of the asm programmers who were active around 1997-2000 in the community then came back 5-6 years later. He just came back but he must have noticed that things changed a lot since those days. As soon as he came back the thing he said was that kermmartian sucked and most of his blabbing in #tcpa channel is about Kermmartian and porn
EDIT: <off-topic>Does anyone knows a good trolling tutorial? I checked google and I couldn't find anything decent</off-topic>
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jvndrbrg
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 04:30:25 am Post subject: |
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Actually, it has changed a lot. Now it's mostly a couple core groups rather than one main site with 5 billion little programming groups, which is cool, I guess. I'm not really "back" or anything, I just hang out in tcpa to chat. I do hate Kerm, which has until now been the extent of my trolling. I only interjected here because the idea of paying $3,000 a year in bandwidth seems crazy to me. If you HOST sites, or are paid to develop them, or whatever, that's cool, but don't make it seem like you're paying three grand out of pocket. |
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echidna
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Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 15
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 05:57:41 am Post subject: |
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Well all i can say -- the things would become better, they must, the things develop in every society too, and you all *are* a very important part of it. |
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AlienCC Creative Receptacle!
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Joined: 24 May 2003 Posts: 1927
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 06:37:27 am Post subject: |
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jvndrbrg wrote: Wait, why in God's name would you pay that much for a site? Why not pay $10-20 a month for shared hosting and, you know... not spend an idiotic amount? I mean, you can even get an unmanaged rack server for $100/month and that's $1200 at the MOST. Why, because you needed someone to set you up a fancy irc.unitedti.org? Too good for us efnet people?[post="116643"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
Shared hosting: been there done that and as some members will likely recall those days had 5+ minute page load times about half of the time, if the page loaded at all.
The figure I gave doesn't represent bandwidth alone, rather a low estimate of the total cost of running the site which takes into account hardware ownership, maintenance, and bandwidth. In the hosting world you generally get what you pay for, so if you're only paying $10-20 a month...you will have fun with that if you get a spike in traffic, or better yet, someone who decides your website is now their website.
jvndrbrg wrote: spandiv wrote: I don't know if you recognize the name, but I believe jvndrbrg is Joshua Vanderburg from Radical Software -- see http://www.radicalsoft.org/members.php. I didn't even know he was still in the TI community [post="116649"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
I'm not, really. But I have friends on that members list that are very much involved, as you know, so I keep tabs a tiny bit.[post="116650"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
Because of the way you treat other people, I'm surprised you have friends...I know you're lonely but that's not really an excuse to compensate with distasteful behavior. |
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benryves
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Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 564
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 07:51:31 am Post subject: |
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AlienCC wrote: The figure I gave doesn't represent bandwidth alone, rather a low estimate of the total cost of running the site which takes into account hardware ownership, maintenance, and bandwidth. In the hosting world you generally get what you pay for, so if you're only paying $10-20 a month...you will have fun with that if you get a spike in traffic, or better yet, someone who decides your website is now their website. We use shared hosting and it is rather hit and miss. Some of the servers are very reliable and fast, some are quite slow and drop out once a month. It rather depends what other people are doing on said server. My only problem with the service is rather bad server-side development support (PHP4, some ancient ASP clone and MySQL 3.23). Roughly £150pa. |
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jvndrbrg
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 08:25:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well, most of your response is fair enough. If you had originally implied that the cost included hardware, it wouldn't have looked as fictitious as it did. Also, I didn't post on here the same way I did with Kerm. I just don't like him. I was trying to get you to clarify, not just bash you. As for the American Singles thing.... It says I'm 18 and live in Lees, VA... both of those are way off, but whatever, I won't even attempt to defend that, because I'm not sure what that is. |
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Pseudoprogrammer
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Posted: 30 Nov 2007 08:36:43 pm Post subject: |
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I clicked the link to see what it was and it was way off for me too. |
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elfprince13 Retired
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Posted: 01 Dec 2007 08:45:00 pm Post subject: |
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DJ Omnimaga:
you obviously didn't look hard enough ;)
and actually, there is a new file reviewer who's crunching through that stack quite nicely. there's a couple new reviews a week....more than the new files at this point. |
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