SDK

[camaro68]

It is probably just me because I am a slow learner, but I have found some
problems with the SDK. Mainly the appguru tutorial.
If someone could verify that I am not going insane here, please reply to
the following:
1. In the tutorial, it says to use "z180" as the family when starting the
ZDS. Isn´t the CPU a z80?
2. It says that the ZDS is mainly used to create apps but indicates that
you can turn it into a regular asm program to run under the asm(
command but delete the colons and first 8 digits in each line of the
hex output and the last two. Now there´s the part I am confused with.
It says you "can" delete the last two lines. Well, are you supposed to
or not. This would be easy to figure out but there is the strange way
it also tells you to delete the "first 8 digits in each line and 'the last 2'!
Now, is that the last two in each line or the last two digits only in the
last line (before the totally deleted last two lines).
I have started with this tutorial and would like to finish it but I am thinking
of switching to a different tutorial!
I look forward to a reply to ease my frustration!

[Adm.Wiggin]

Jbirk, isnt the actual processor a z18080 or something? i dunno... and if i were u i wouldn't use the appguru... i have used it and hated it not enuf info!

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download the cirrus SDK from http://cirrus.tigalaxy.com
get 83pasm28d from the win section uf http://www.ticalc.org

[NETWizz]

Yes, the processor is a Z80180, but it uses the same assembly language as the Z80. Think of it as a faster Z80.

[camaro68]

Grammar Nazi
Anway, yes, I have tried it various ways but I think the appguru
is just leaving out other information.
I am going to listen to Adm even though I really hate to quit something.
However, if it is bad, then why continue?!
I am going to try 62's suggestion about the 83pasm28d.
How about that tutorial I read about in the previous forum
"learn z80 in 28 days"? Is that good?
Actually, what I am having trouble with is understanding the format
to input the hex into the 83+. What is the "asm(" command for? I gather
it compiles, but compiles what? OP Codes? I have put the following in
and it has run with the "asm(" command. BUT also, I used "asmComp("
on it and it generating output that doesn't show up in the Edit screen but
also runs exactly the same with the "asm(" command?? What's the
difference?
The code is:
:AsmPrgm
:21000322
:4B84EF404521
:A89DEF0A45EF
:7249C9746578
:742068657265
:00
Thanks all.

[NETWizz]

Works like this.

AsmComp(prgmNAME,prgmCOMPILED

Yes, it turns your values into opcodes!

As it stands, they are currently nothing more than ASCII characters 30h to 39h (0 to 9), and 41h to 46h (A-F)

When you have C and 9 in your program, ASCII for C is43h, and ASCII for 9 is 39h.

So, in ram, you have 43 39 (values are in hex)

After compilation, you have one byte C9 (values in hex) in ram.

This explains why when you compile, the resultign program is about 50% the size of the uncompiled version.

Asm(prgmCOMPILED or Asm(prgmNAME will both do the same thing. They will executie your program.

[Adm.Wiggin]

try tasm, and 83plus asm in 28 days is the same as 83pasm28d... or however it is abbreviated... go to ticalc, and search for 28 days or something... oh, wait! heres a link : TI-83 Plus Assembly In 28 Days... does that help? for editing my programs, (not compiling!) i use Assembly Studio 8x... it works great, except, if u use the built in sprite editor, u must do square sprites, because it will put the size bytes backwards, unless u want to switch the size bytes, but to edit it again after switching the size bytes u must switch them back... hope i was helpful!

[NETWizz]

ZDS can also be used to make regular asm programs.

You will simply use bin2var to change the .hex to .8xp. You can download bin2var from http://education.ti.com

[Adm.Wiggin]

if i were u, id stick to the sdk, just dont use the appguru... cause the sdk's asm.bat file is WAY great! (unless u use xp then u have to use the xp sdk and it aint the greatest... but at least it works! )

[NETWizz]

You can always use ZDS, Bin2Var, and Wappsign

[Adm.Wiggin]

ya u could! that would work, if u like the zds syntax... TI-83 Plus Assembly in 28 days uses TASM syntax...

[camaro68]

Adm: Yes that is what is causing me headaches (the different syntax).
I got help from JBirk in the old forum and must change syntax to make
it compile with ZDS. However, I can´t get them to run after I compile!
JBirk: I just discovered the Bin2Var and have not tried it out yet. What
does Wappsign do?
Now, I suppose some of you got a chuckle that I did not know what
83pasm28d is. NOW it makes sense. the 28 day tutorial was suggested
to me before but I never checked it out because once I start something, I
like to finish it. In this case, though, I think I will put appguru on hold and
see what I can get out of 83pasm28d. Maybe even having to work with
translating syntax will make it all that more of a learning experience
Thanks all!
It´s great that y'all haven't given up on me!

[Adm.Wiggin]

of course we havent! y would we? would u give up on us? would we like it if u gave up on us? NO! thats y we didnt give up on u!

[NETWizz]

Wappsign signs applications.

[Adm.Wiggin]

it stands for :
Windows Application Sign

or something of the like

[camaro68]

Hey, I did "day 1" of the 28 day tutorial. It is great! I like how he dissed appguru.
I like the syntax for TASM better than for ZDS because the structure for the directives
in ZDS confused me. Also, most of the code books I find list the commands as how
TASM wants and ZDS does not.
I forget the author's name but it seems like I recognize him from using this list. Am I
halucinating? Anyway, I noticed two errors in the "day 1" lesson. One was a spelling
error ("practise") and another was there are two ".end"s at the end of the example.
Hopefully I can learn at a faster rate now. It seemed like I was burying myself in a hole
in the cemetary when I was doing appguru with ZDS.

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There are supposed to be 2 .ends (although who knows why)

[camaro68]

I ran the same code with only one .end and it gave the exact same output...
Interesting.
Thanks for the reply containing "although who knows why". It made me feel better because I don't know why!

[Darth Android]

me neither! im learning asm along with u!

[Adm.Wiggin]

dont do 2 ends, it will just confuse u... if u r programming for the ti-83(no plus), then u need 2 end directives... dont let it confuse u any more! in other words, just do one, it works fine!