What Irks you about RPGs?

[Sage Orator]

Certainly does sound interesting.

[leofox]

[DigiTan]

I was wondering if anybody had seen games that experimented with increasing enemy difficulty in realtime. Or at least some function of realtime where enemy toughness increased regardless of whether your grind or not.

[Arcane Wizard]

TES Morrowind spawns enemies in the world depending on your level. Not sure if that fits what you mean.

[SilverCalcKnight]

IVAN. Here.

That is, the enemies remain challenging no matter what level you are. And the game is hard. Very hard. The developers say that if you beat the game, it's a bug, because beating the game is said to be impossible.

[DigiTan]

What about having to revisit past areas? Good, bad, or ugly?

[alexrudd]

I don't mind if it's done properly, but it's not one of my favorite features. Good way to add lots of game time, but has the potential to be abused.

[Fallen Ghost]

Everything depends on how much space you allow the gam to have. Let's say TES IV Oblivion (> 4.5 GB), they (Bethesda Softworks) say there are 200 different dungeons. False, dungeon 1 is room #1,2,3,4,5,6, then dungeon 2 is room #2,4,6,3,5,1, dungeon 3 is... So it's pretty much boring for a game that size (dungeons I mean, not storyline or god-like graphics)

But for a calc game, then yes you could, but you should still try to add diversity or at least randomness (depending on the size)

[Weregoose]

No long and toturous passages. An area in Pokémon that comes to mind is Lavender Tower.

[tifreak8x]

[bananaman]

I don't like it when you have to go all the way across the entire map and then back and then over it again just to complete quests. If you want to introduce the majority of the map near the beginning so you are constantly revisiting past areas that is fine, but forcing the user to go to the extreme sides of the map in a row really bugs me, especially with fights all the time. It's almost like forced grinding.

[Liazon]

At least put teleporation/rapid transit if the map is huge. Like Fable would have been horrible if you couldn't go anywhere instantly.

And Ranman's Ultima V remake on 68k has an enormous map! it's gigantic. At least there's some form of teleportation so you don't have to travel too much.

I think big maps/areas are GOOD because:

1.) a variety of places for training if you do need to do some grinding

2.) a variety of scenery

3.) a variety of places for side quests to take place.

4.) over all impressiveness :)

I think the major bad thing is the grinding though.

[DigiTan]

In Earthbound there were a few places I liked to revisit because of the items, but those were strictly voluntary visits. And no suprise battles in that game. And there were two teleport moves that could get you to any town in the game (the first required some open space to execute). I kind of like the idea of a "home base" in an RPG but I see how that could cause problems. Plus, I've never really seen that strategy used.

[leofox]

In Morrowind i had a base where I could put my items and display them. In the new Pokemon games, you can put stuff like plushies and posters in your secret base. Those are two uses for a home base.

[Arcane Wizard]

If you have too much to carry around with you then you're not on an adventure.

[DigiTan]

Found it! The Grand list of Console RPG Clichés. Favorites...

Last Rule of Politics
Kingdoms are good. Empires are evil.

Thinking With The Wrong Head (Hiro Rule)
The hero will always be ready to fight to the death for any girl he met three seconds ago.

"My beloved peasant village!"
The hero's home town, city, slum, or planet will usually be annihilated before the end of the game, and often before the end of the opening scene.

The Compulsories
There's always a fire dungeon, an ice dungeon, a sewer maze, a misty forest, a derelict ghost ship, a mine, a glowing crystal maze, an ancient temple full of traps, a magic floating castle, and a technological dungeon.

Bed Bed Bed
A good night's sleep will cure all wounds, diseases, and disabilities, up to and including death.

Wait! That Was A Load-Bearing Boss!
Defeating a dungeon's boss creature will frequently cause the dungeon to collapse.

Law of Reverse Evolution (Zeboim Principle)
Any ancient civilizations are inexplicably much more advanced than the current one.

The Moral Of The Story (Ghaleon Rule)
Every problem in the universe can be solved by finding the right long-haired prettyboy and beating the crap out of him.

Arbor Day Rule
At some point, you're going to have to talk to a tree and do what it says.

[DarkerLine]

[Arcane Wizard]

It gets taken from you by the king. The best gear is found on bosses, so you only need some gold to rest and repair.

You can always carry the best items you've found, and you don't need anything else. If you die in combat you need better gear/skills/spells.

Rinse and repeat.

[IAmACalculator]

@Digitan: That's awesome! I'm tempted to make an RPG that breaks every one of those rules (e.g. you don't play as the chosen one, you play as their sidekick, the mystical sword of power is actually POWERFUL, not just a step up from your previous sword, etc.)

[Kayshay]

the whole magical/fantasy rpg, just bored me to death, becasue i just couldn't get into them, but one rpg i enjoyed was stick rpg but i was mad about the graphics.