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programmer_to_be Jesus is my Lord and Saviour.
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In Geometry class today, we went over a problem using the distance formula for 3 coordinates on a plane. Then it hit me. Fourth Dimension. Could that be the center point of all objects. I asked my teacher about it and she told me to write a book about it. So now here I am, skipping lunch to get some ideas. What do you all think of idea? Just think about it. The fourth dimension is the point of intersection of all dimensions. Some people think of time as the fourth dimension, but I like my idea. Please give feedback. Should I write a book?
P.S. Anyone know how much patents cost? |
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todlangweilig
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Maybe?
Have fun trying to understand this one |
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JoeImp Enlightened
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IAmACalculator In a state of quasi-hiatus
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programmer_to_be wrote: In Geometry class today, we went over a problem using the distance formula for 3 coordinates on a plane. Then it hit me. Fourth Dimension. Could that be the center point of all objects. I asked my teacher about it and she told me to write a book about it. So now here I am, skipping lunch to get some ideas. What do you all think of idea? Just think about it. The fourth dimension is the point of intersection... [post="79646"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post] Somehow, I don't think of the fourth dimension as a point. It's just one more direction. I don't see what would be so special about it, but I may just be blind. |
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trigkid213
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Has anyone read Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott? It's a really good aid in helping you to visualize the fourth dimension. It's the narration of the life of a shape living in the 2-D world of Flatland. He is visited by an apparition from the 3-D world, who takes him out of Flatland so he can see it from above. He explains dimensions like this:
Say you live in a 2-D world and you see a circle approaching. You can only see the edge; you can't see the interior. However, if you live in a 3-D world, you can see the whole interior of the circle. Likewise, if you see a sphere in the 3-D world you can only see the surface; if you are in 4-D you can see the whole interior. |
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Brazucs I have no idea what my avatar is.
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I've always read that time is the 4th dimension, except for strings which have a bagillion dimensions. |
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wow... confusing.... I like the idea that time is the fourth dimension... then what is the 5th?! |
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Raster
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The 5 dimensions: X,Y,Z,T, and randomized selection of our own minds (freewill) |
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+ZERO+
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if we ever begin to see the 4th dimension, the world will become == null |
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leofox INF student
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[quote name='+ZERO+' date='May 18 2006, 09:34 PM']wow... confusing.... I like the idea that time is the fourth dimension... then what is the 5th?!
[post="79671"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/quote]Some say its an extra space dimension, that we cant see. |
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+ZERO+
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funnn......
Quote: Mom: Where you goin?
Me: The 5th Dimen--
Mom: NOOO!!!
[Boom] |
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Weregoose Authentic INTJ
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Rezek Better Than You
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Quote: Has anyone read Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott? It's a really good aid in helping you to visualize the fourth dimension. It's the narration of the life of a shape living in the 2-D world of Flatland. He is visited by an apparition from the 3-D world, who takes him out of Flatland so he can see it from above. He explains dimensions like this:
Say you live in a 2-D world and you see a circle approaching. You can only see the edge; you can't see the interior. However, if you live in a 3-D world, you can see the whole interior of the circle. Likewise, if you see a sphere in the 3-D world you can only see the surface; if you are in 4-D you can see the whole interior.
Yes, for me that was an excellent helper in understanding spacial dimensions.
I hate to be this cynical, but frankly p2b, you really don't know what you are talking about. Honestly, people with PhD's in Physics are working on this problem. For starters: a dimension is not a point.
Also, the order of dimensions isn't exclusive:
Quote: Some people think of time as the fourth dimension, but I like my idea.
It's not like if your idea is right, time is out of the running
Quote: Should I write a book?
No. As I mentioned, actual Physicists are working on this, and they haven't come up with anything. You just had an idea, without any proof or testing of it, and have immediately decided said scientists are wrong. For starter's, I'd reccomend having graduated from Highschool.
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Lyricalwolf
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ummmmmmm....P2B you know that your not going to write a book on it so why even suggest it? Patents? obviously your teacher was being sarcastic when she told you to write a book....... |
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Radical Pi
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I like F-Theory: that there are 10 spacial dimensions and 2 of time.
The only other point I know about that I can bring up is the Pythagorean Theorem (a^2+b^2=c^2) extends into extra spacial dimensions. a^2+b^2+c^2=d^2 and so on. |
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Great sig, Radical Pi. And I think the 4th dimension is just an extra direction. We can't comprehend it, because we can only think in 3 dimensions, because that is all we see. However, most living things have 3 dimensions. Length, width, and height. But then again, if we can't see the 4th dimension, how would we know it's there? |
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IAmACalculator In a state of quasi-hiatus
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So a triangle has 4 sides? I know I'm missing something here.
I have also read Flatland, and it is really eye-opening (except the social satire, which I didn't really care for). What if there are four-dimensional people looking into our sad, small little volume?
I really enjoy thinking about higher dimensional things. For example, You need two zero-dimensional points to define a line, and you need three points to define a plane. You need four non-collinear points to define a volume, and you would need five to define whatever comes after.
Another interesting tidbit: Two lines (1D) intersect to form one point (0D). Two planes (3D) intersect to form one line. Two volumes (3D) intersect to form a plane. Two 4D spaces (or whatever) could intersect to form a volume. Very strange. Also, a glome is composed of two spheres curved into 4 dimensions. I could start a blog for this stuff. |
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programmer_to_be Jesus is my Lord and Saviour.
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Rezek wrote: Quote: Has anyone read Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott? It's a really good aid in helping you to visualize the fourth dimension. It's the narration of the life of a shape living in the 2-D world of Flatland. He is visited by an apparition from the 3-D world, who takes him out of Flatland so he can see it from above. He explains dimensions like this:
Say you live in a 2-D world and you see a circle approaching. You can only see the edge; you can't see the interior. However, if you live in a 3-D world, you can see the whole interior of the circle. Likewise, if you see a sphere in the 3-D world you can only see the surface; if you are in 4-D you can see the whole interior.
Yes, for me that was an excellent helper in understanding spacial dimensions.
I hate to be this cynical, but frankly p2b, you really don't know what you are talking about. Honestly, people with PhD's in Physics are working on this problem. For starters: a dimension is not a point.
Also, the order of dimensions isn't exclusive:
Quote: Some people think of time as the fourth dimension, but I like my idea.
It's not like if your idea is right, time is out of the running
Quote: Should I write a book?
No. As I mentioned, actual Physicists are working on this, and they haven't come up with anything. You just had an idea, without any proof or testing of it, and have immediately decided said scientists are wrong. For starter's, I'd reccomend having graduated from Highschool.
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I didn't say scientists were wrong. I just said that I like my idea. And no, I probably won't write a book. Just a thought that occured from my teacher. |
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SilverCalcKnight wrote: Great sig, Radical Pi. And I think the 4th dimension is just an extra direction. We can't comprehend it, because we can only think in 3 dimensions, because that is all we see. However, most living things have 3 dimensions. Length, width, and height. But then again, if we can't see the 4th dimension, how would we know it's there?
[post="79690"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post] We can know it's not there because nothing has ever been detected to move in a fourth dimension (which would appear as an object or at least an atom disappearing or reappering). Therefore, the simplest explanation is that it simply doesn't exist. |
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alexrudd pm me if you read this
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DarkerLine wrote: We can know it's not there because nothing has ever been detected to move in a fourth dimension (which would appear as an object or at least an atom disappearing or reappering). Therefore, the simplest explanation is that it simply doesn't exist. [post="79698"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post] At least an atom? I think they're studying much smaller than that: quarks at the biggest. I haven't been to FermiLab in a while, so I've forgotten what they said. Don't quote me on this, but I think perhaps they are detecting quantum level disappearances and reappearances.
Here are some things to puzzle over:
If you shine a light through a transparent 3D object onto a 2D surface, you get a 2D image that changes when you move the 3D object. (Think of something like a discoball).
If you shine a light through a transparent 4D object...
One current theory is that the extra spacial dimensions are "curled up" so small we can't see them. For instance, you see a tightrope as one dimension, right? It just goes back and forth. But an ant, which can crawl around the tightrope, has access to an extra dimension.
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