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trigkid213
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| I'm about to start learning C++ as my first computer programming language. Should I learn C too? |
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programmer_to_be
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| I have heard before that it would be better to just learn C++ as C is just the level before C++. Like C++ is an upgrade version of C. That's just what I have heard. |
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Liazon
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| I agree, but it doesn't hurt to learn C on the side too. |
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CoBB
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trigkid213 wrote: I'm about to start learning C++ as my first computer programming language. Should I learn C too?
Definitely yes. Don't start with C++, it's a very hard language, and it can bite you at the most unexpected places. C is simpler and much more 'transparent', and a solid knowledge of C will help you through many difficulties later, especially a good understanding of pointers. |
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kalan_vod
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CoBB wrote: trigkid213 wrote: I'm about to start learning C++ as my first computer programming language. Should I learn C too?
Definitely yes. Don't start with C++, it's a very hard language, and it can bite you at the most unexpected places. C is simpler and much more 'transparent', and a solid knowledge of C will help you through many difficulties later, especially a good understanding of pointers.
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Can you suggest any books or sites for learning C and C++?
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Arcane Wizard
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| Not once you know C++. |
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CoBB
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kalan_vod wrote: Can you suggest any books or sites for learning C and C++?
What about the trivial starting points, like this or this? |
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kalan_vod
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| I wasn't sure if there was a really good one, but I guess I need to look. |
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Plague
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| ummm i tried for ever to learn c and couldnt grasp some of it, i went to learning c++ and it was so easy to learn and understand. i still cant program in C but c++ is no problem at all. |
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Tiberious726
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programmer_to_be wrote: I have heard before that it would be better to just learn C++ as C is just the level before C++. Like C++ is an upgrade version of C. That's just what I have heard.
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no; C++ is C but with Object Oriented parts thrown in; it is considered not a good mix of proceedural and OO programing; they both use the same general sytax but use different libaries; If C++ was an upgrade of C then noone would use C any more but outside of redmond C is used far more comonly than C++; in my experiance they are both about as difficult (which is not really at all in my eyes) tho i only did entry level C++ as C just makes more sence as a language in general
kalan_vod wrote: Can you suggest any books or sites for learning C and C++?
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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearc...628&TXT=Y&itm=2
single best book on C, ever; it was cowritten by the creator of C; it is truely amazing
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Quote: ummm i tried for ever to learn c and couldnt grasp some of it, i went to learning c++ and it was so easy to learn and understand. i still cant program in C but c++ is no problem at all.
i have found that C is far more intuative a language and is in general increadibly easy to use
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c_plus_plus
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Yes, I agree with Tiberious726. C++ is Almost Identical to C.
Two diferences:
1. The library. (no biggie)
2. The OO stuff. Your first parts of learning C++ will be basicly learning C anyway, but later you will learn the Object Orinented stuff. After learning C++ you will be able to program C easily. |
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Plague
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programmer_to_be
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Another great tutorial is:
cplusplus.com
Just click on the left table, C++ and you will be directed to another page with "Learn C++" and there will be the tutorials. |
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Super Speler
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| I only know C++ but using this knoledge was able to help my freind with a C program. I say once you learn one it would be fairly easy to learn the other. |
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Liazon
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| They are all C-derived aren't they? Java, C, C++, Delphi? |
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CoBB
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| No, they aren't. The syntax is indeed similar (except for Delphi, which inherited it from Pascal instead), but they are still completely different languages. |
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C++ is (as already mentioned) OOP stuff roughly hacked on top of the basic bits of C. Since C++ came about, there have been "real" OOP languages developed (for example Java, now well established and one of the main languages taught in schools, or C# which is rapidly gaining popularity), which are much cleaner and easier than C++. Not to mention that just in time compilers are now excellent, so you can release a single Java/C# binary that runs just as well as the native code on multiple platforms and processors.
Also, note that C++ is not all of C. You can do things in C that you can't in C++ (C99).
The difficulty with C is more to do with having to do things the manual way (for example, strings in C are a comparitive nightmare compared to using the std::string class).
Unfortunately, the software world is very slow to adapt to change, so C++ is probably around to stay for a while. It took them a while to switch from C, after all!
Then again, I'm one of these strange people who doesn't like programming itself, and just likes a programming language let him peform a task with the minimum amount of fuss.
I, personally, would never ever suggest a language like C or C++ as a first programming language, as they give you 101 assorted ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
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CoBB
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benryves wrote: Not to mention that just in time compilers are now excellent, so you can release a single Java/C# binary that runs just as well as the native code on multiple platforms and processors.
I hear so much about advanced compiler technology, and I see how JIT can be all superior in theory, but in practice all Java and C# programs I ran on my computer crawled at snail's pace eating up an outrageous amount of memory each.
benryves wrote: The difficulty with C is more to do with having to do things the manual way (for example, strings in C are a comparitive nightmare compared to using the std::string class).
I'd generally say STL (and boost) is what really makes C++ worth every second you put into it.
benryves wrote: I, personally, would never ever suggest a language like C or C++ as a first programming language, as they give you 101 assorted ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
And that's exactly the reason why I recommend them! :biggrin: A managed environment greatly prevents learning proper resource managment. Garbage collection doesn't keep programs from using ridiculous amounts of memory, it just helps sweeping the effects of poor coding under the rug--for a while. I saw a few expensive industrial managed applications crash to complete death no matter how the VM struggled for them...
The great thing about learning programming is that shooting yourself in the foot doesn't actually harm you, just gives you useful experience, even if later you only use less dangerous languages in production. There's no way a solid knowledge of C can hurt. |
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Tiberious726
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benryves wrote: The difficulty with C is more to do with having to do things the manual way (for example, strings in C are a comparitive nightmare compared to using the std::string class).
and even then strings aren't that hard in C; all they are are arrays with '\0' at the end
Quote: I, personally, would never ever suggest a language like C or C++ as a first programming language, as they give you 101 assorted ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
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i would; as CoBB said it does really help to know the memory managment and not have your problems majically disappear; also C is the ideal spot between high level and low level programing; you can acces lower level stuff if you want but there are functions predefined that are much higer level; It is the first programing language i learned and it really isn't that hard if you have a good learning reasorce (like that book i mentioned earlier)
if you really want OOP then i would recamend Objective-C; it is a strict superset of C (the same cannot be said of C++)
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benryves
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CoBB wrote: benryves wrote: I, personally, would never ever suggest a language like C or C++ as a first programming language, as they give you 101 assorted ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
And that's exactly the reason why I recommend them! :biggrin: A managed environment greatly prevents learning proper resource managment.
Or maybe it's just that I come into contact on a daily basis with people learning C or C++ as their first language, and the results are never pretty  |
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