Is Liberty Basic any good?
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programmer_to_be
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Posted: 28 Mar 2006 10:43:33 pm    Post subject:
Is it? I already started learning it but don't know if I should continue. Thanks.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 04:08:37 am    Post subject:
Since I've never heard about it before, I'm going to say it can't be great. You'll be able to make basic 2D games and stuff like that with it, but after that, you're totally limited. Can you do network programming? Access the win32 api? OpenGL api? Do anything outside of drawing some shapes in a pretty default window? You're going to be pretty limited. Not to mention there's not going to be a lot of resources/support for programming with it.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 08:43:38 am    Post subject:
JoeImp wrote:
Since I've never heard about it before, I'm going to say it can't be great. You'll be able to make basic 2D games and stuff like that with it, but after that, you're totally limited. Can you do network programming? Access the win32 api? OpenGL api? Do anything outside of drawing some shapes in a pretty default window? You're going to be pretty limited. Not to mention there's not going to be a lot of resources/support for programming with it.


/me thinks he's right.


I suggest you learn C/C++, Java or Python.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 09:47:05 am    Post subject:
JoeImp wrote:
Since I've never heard about it before, I'm going to say it can't be great.
Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it's bad.
One thing, though: it's bad. Very Happy

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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 09:49:44 am    Post subject:
If you're looking for a free programming language to experiment with, VB.NET is also pretty good (in my little experience). I use SharpDevelop.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 10:04:38 am    Post subject:
@IAmACalulator - not sure if you're aware of it, but you can download Visual Studio Express 2005 for free from http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ (doesn't expire, you can sell your code, unrestricted use). Lacks a few things from the full version (such as the profiler) but it's still pretty groovy.

Everyone is automatically going to suggest their favourite language, most of which are unsuitable for beginners. Languages such as C require a lot of discipline in terms of memory management and there are lots of places you can trip up on; C++ is a fairly horrible hack on top of C in any case and I'd strongly suggest you don't start with it. (Though it might currently be the "industry standard", well-written apps in managed languages are now just as fast and it's just a case of waiting for programmers to switch).

Best to pick a language that doesn't require you to handle memory yourself, and one that lets you learn the basics of programming without having the programming language get in the way.

Scripting languages might be good to start with; I understand Python is very popular and has bindings to a number of different useful APIs. I've not used it myself, though. I also hear good things about Ruby.

Above that, there are more serious "proper" managed languages which offer things like garbage collection and a large amount of prefabricated code to make development easy and let you concentrate on what it is you're writing.

Java on top of the J2SE seems to be popular with schools, is cross platform, runs in a web browser, that sort of thing.

Languages on top of the .NET framework (pretty much every language under the sun by now) take advantage of Visual Studio (industry-standard development environment) but are Microsoft-specific (Windows, xbox).

If you're looking into developing games, GameDev.net has a great "for beginners" forum. Their "start here" section, http://www.gamedev.net/reference/start_here/ , is extremely out of date though.

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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 10:27:03 am    Post subject:
also, the AP computer science exam is in Java.

Python and Java are my personal favorites.
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Radical Pi


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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 06:13:33 pm    Post subject:
Do you mean liberty basic as advertised in the book "Beginning Programming for Dummies"?
It looks simple.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 06:41:18 pm    Post subject:
for a basic language i would recamend Ti-BASIC (the one on the calcuators of course) then when transitioning to computers learn C from K&R's "The C programing Language" here it is the basis of many of the modern laguages that are used,

python isn't free form, i like free form.... but i have heard that is it good
perl is fairly bloated...

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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 07:58:52 pm    Post subject:
Radical Pi wrote:
Do you mean liberty basic as advertised in the book "Beginning Programming for Dummies"?
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Yes.

Wikipedia wrote:
Liberty BASIC has been used to facilitate and actualize examples of code for various guides and references about programming in Windows, including "Beginning Programming For Dummies", written by Wallace Wang, and published by Hungry Minds International.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2006 08:03:37 pm    Post subject:
Tiberious726 wrote:
for a basic language i would recamend Ti-BASIC (the one on the calcuators of course) then when transitioning to computers learn C from K&R's "The C programing Language" here it is the basis of many of the modern laguages that are used,

python isn't free form, i like free form.... but i have heard that is it good
perl is fairly bloated...
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one of the few annoying features of Python is accidentally confusing a tba with four spaces.

other than that, its my favorite scripting language. as an added bonus, its what google uses.
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