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Liazon
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Lunar Wolf Demon wrote: :confused: Last time someone gave me a link and it was for the TI86!!!!!!!!!
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The link for the Ti-86 is exactly the same as the Ti-83+ and Ti-83 calculators. You can only link up calculators of the same series. (Ti-83+ and Ti-84+, or Ti-86 and maybe Ti-85) |
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alexrudd
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calcul831415 wrote: Lunar Wolf Demon wrote: :confused: Last time someone gave me a link and it was for the TI86!!!!!!!!! [post="62194"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
The link for the Ti-86 is exactly the same as the Ti-83+ and Ti-83 calculators. You can only link up calculators of the same series. (Ti-83+ and Ti-84+, or Ti-86 and maybe Ti-85) [post="62225"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
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Lunar Wolf Demon
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Yes,yes i did mean a link for a tutoriall :ninja:
One of my friends suggseted that instead of getkey->K I should use getkey->L1(1)
and then use clrlist at the end of the program.I think this is ingenius what about you guys?
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DarkerLine
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Using L1 takes up more memory in the program because L1(1 is 4 bytes and K is 1.
L1 takes up more memory when the program is running - 21 bytes, as opposed to K's 18 bytes.
L1 is slower to store to and access.
Finally, ClrList is the most pointless instruction I have ever encountered. It leaves the list intact, but removes all its elements, so it wastes 12 bytes of RAM. Use DelVar instead of ClrList in ALL cases.
I can't imagine why you would do this, ever. |
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Lunar Wolf Demon
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| Sorry, I didn't know that. For some reason though, my calc still runs out of memory even if i use DelVar on K. That's weird.Why? Someone help me!!!! |
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Leaks can result from one of two things: Using [font="courier new"]Goto inside a loop, or using [font="courier new"]Goto inside a contional statement.
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Liazon
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But that Ti-86 ASM tutorial is probably a good one (i'm refering to The Guide). No offense to anyone, but I think Ti-86 is a great place to start learning programming especially if you don't have a computer. Just my opinion because of of the lowercase and all that program editing built in. Just my opinion.
[hypocrite]Why are you using lists anyways? There are already 30 variables, including finance variables at your disposal.[/hypocrite] :biggrin:
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Super Speler
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Hi Its Ben from school!!!
I have know idea how to fix it as you know but I need the same question answered becaus untill then my snakeish game won't work. I have some of the games you lost by the way you gave them to me befor you lost your calculater.
What would ans do it still drains memory and in such a program ans variable changes, you need to change the map variable etc.
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Weregoose
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That was sudden and fast-paced. Ben from whose school?
Let's get one thing clear: [font="courier new"]Ans does not drain memory! [font="courier new"]Goto does!
Whatever rumor started that needs to be ignored and forgotten.
Secondly, if you want to hold a chat session, you may use the proper protocols at your disposal,
or send a PM if you are so inclined to speak through these forums. Or, you may speak in person.
Without knowing exactly what the last part even means... [font="courier new"]Ans changes in
every program that has variable changes. Who needs to change what for... eh?  |
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Obviously you can't use Ans for long-term variable storage. However, you can use it for local optimization.
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Lunar Wolf Demon
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| Thanks, i just wanted to know if for loops drain memory or while loops. |
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Here are the possible ways to cause memory leaks in TI-Basic programs:
[font="courier new"]Lbl 0[color=#e4e4e4]________Lbl 0________Repeat …_____While …
…____________…____________…____________…
Repeat …_____While …______Goto 0_______Goto 0
…____________…____________…____________…
Goto 0_______Goto 0_______End__________End
…____________…____________…____________…
End__________End__________Lbl 0________Lbl 0
Lbl 0________Lbl 0________For …________If …
…____________…____________…____________Then
For …________If …_________Goto 0_______…
…____________Then_________…____________Goto 0
Goto 0_______…____________End__________…
…____________Goto 0_______…____________End
End__________…____________Lbl 0________…
_____________End_______________________Lbl 0
Lbl 0[/color] could be any label, but the point is that if it jumps out of any of the above loops or nests, that's one of 128 bytes lost right there. Another way to cause memory leaks is through running one or more programs recursively, i.e., initiating subroutines in such a way as to force the interpreter to "remember" 128 programs it needs to go back to once it passes through the last line of any such program or encounters a [font="courier new"]Return to go back to it ahead of time.
So, to answer your question... Neither of these loops—nor any loops in general—are to blame for the memory leaks. Improper handling of the interpreter so that the ends of these loops are missed is entirely at fault. Note also that a program's (undesirably) slowing down over time is directly affiliated with these memory leaks, and cannot be caused using any other coding methods. The only way to fix this is to rid all loops in the program of any [font="courier new"]Goto's that jump out of the loop.
Handy wrote: Well, kids, that's all you get! That's it! READ A BOOK!
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If you're not far, posting your entire code so far would allow us to easily fix you're problem. Although, the extra speed of the silver edition will serve you well.
As for assembly, this is defentely the place to start. Make sure that you get an emulator though, so you don't kill your new calculator :biggrin: . |
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Liazon
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| and perhaps read ASMguru and IONguru immediately after. Remember, if you don't get it, just read it through and give it time to sink in. It's really easy actually. :biggrin: well not really, but conceptually simple (no actually not) |
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Lunar Wolf Demon
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Quote: If you're not far, posting your entire code so far would allow us to easily fix you're problem. Although, the extra speed of the silver edition will serve you well.
As for assembly, this is defentely the place to start. Make sure that you get an emulator though, so you don't kill your new calculator .
Quote: perhaps read ASMguru and IONguru immediately after. Remember, if you don't get it, just read it through and give it time to sink in. It's really easy actually. well not really, but conceptually simple (no actually not)
Where do i find this ASMguru you speak of?And how do I get a rom dump?
I already have an emulator.
ASM is still a mystery to me.... :confused: |
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| you dont need a ROM dump if you have an 83+ or 83+ Silver, you can just use the official SDK. If you have an 84 series, you need to use build TilEm and use rom8x to get a ROM image....also I would use sigma's 83pasm28d tutorial or Jeff Chai's tutorial, for 83+ info. ASMguru is for the regular 83 |
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Liazon
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Lunar Wolf Demon wrote: ASM is still a mystery to me.... :confused:
You know what is a mystery to me? How I could have owned a calculator and never know that a Basic command called sub( existed. Sometimes Basic confuses me more than ASM.
I would read ASMGuru after ASMin28 because it helped me slowly digest ASMin28. It's a lot more simple and straightforward. Definitely read IONGuru if you plan to take advantage of MirageOS/Ion. It's really really short.
To find IONGuru, just go to ticalc.org and search the file archives for "Andy."
Unzip it into the C:\ drive. When you want to compile a program, put the .z80 source file into the same folder as everything you unzipped and double-click the compile(.bat?) file. It will open a DOS window. Type in asm name of program. If all goes well, it will create your .8xp (83+) file.
@elfprince13: Is the SDK better than using Notepad and TASM?
Yay! I'm being helpful for once! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: |
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Lunar Wolf Demon
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Quote: Yay! I'm being helpful for once!
Thanks everyone!This helps alot!I plan to use elements as items but one friend says its stupid and another friends says its almost too practical.What do you think?
Sulfur*2+Oxygen*1=Fire
Hydrogen*2+Oxygen*1=Blizzard
Neon*2+Oxygen*1=Thunder
I want to know if this is okay. |
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| Since you're the game developer and program writer, it should be your call. I think it's an excellent idea. |
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Liazon
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Sound's like Runescape. Talk to axcho about these kind of RPG elements; he is really into the math/science/art of RPG elements.
Are you learning ASM yet? Man, you have loads of free time! Good luck, cuz i'm still no expert at ASM (I just understand general concept, which is enough to allow me to understand other people's code, but not be able to write anything for myself :biggrin:)
edit: but do you have to use the real elements? It sounds too sciencey for a game, unless it's a futuristic game. btw, i think combining hydrogen and oxygen produces water, but you need an electrical current. It'll cause an explosion once it reacts.
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