Die Service Pack 2

JoeImp · Posted: 09 Nov 2004 10:08:02 pm Post subject:

Bah.

Bah.

With an AMD64 machine, running Windows XP, with Service Pack 2, SoftIce debugger will not run. Out of all of the combinations of computer parts and os's I could run, I get the one combination that it craps out on. It works fine in service pack 1, but in 2, it tells me "An external device is not attached." ... Ok. Can I just downgrade back to Service Pack 1 without any problems? All pack 2 does that I see is try to candy-coat your computer for you. I already have a firewall, and if you stay off the bad porn sites, there's not that many pop-ups to worry about in IE Laughing

Bah.

[EDIT] - What the hell? Every time one specific person sends me an im on aim, my computer reboots. IM's from everyone else works fine. Lol Neutral

Imp

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 06:52:53 am Post subject:

I'm afraid SP 2 sucks quite bad and people have only downloaded it because of all the hype and it's apparently the cool thing to do. (upgrading whatever you can without actually knowing if it will improve anything)

But now they discover installing something that will "candy-coat" your computer, cause a whole new list of incompatibility problems, and some new security issues is not very "cool" at all.

Also, if want to fix IE's crappyness, download the following:
Hijackthis
Spybot (Search and Destroy)
Adaware 6.0 pro
Pop up killer pro

This is not full proof at all, but combined with knowing what you're doing it should keep you out of problems. Just installing Opera or Firefox (1.0 has been relased, joy) will be even better, although they too have some security issues, spyware is stopped far batter than you ever could with IE.

leofox · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 07:47:59 am Post subject:

JoeImp · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 08:06:41 am Post subject:

So can I somehow downgrade back to service pack 1, or am I screwed and stuck with 2 now? I already have ad-aware and all that, im good to go. Time to google, im off

Imp

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 09:06:28 am Post subject:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875350

Don't know if you have to reinstall SP1 then.

optimize · Advanced Newbie Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 99

I have not noticed any programs not acting properly with my computer, although this isn't saying much as all I do is internet browsing (Internet Explorer), use computer to make/edit/print school reports with Office XP, and use Windows Media Player for something to listen to when I'm doing all of the above.

I am starting to see the blue screen of doom that forces me to manually restart my computer with the message POOL_TABLE_INVALID or something stupid.

And yes, you probably will have to reinstall it all over again, sadly.

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 03:14:11 pm Post subject:

shadowing · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 05:33:37 pm Post subject:

Not me. As he said, i have an athlon 64 machine. It runs completely fine on my machine. Seriously it does.

At first, zonealarm firewall messed it up, but i fixed it later. so now it's perfectly fine except for occassional crashes from 8 hour ongoing marathons.

Brazucs · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 06:24:15 pm Post subject:

I agree. SP2 sucks.
It does help out with all the crap online (like, "YOU MUST CHOOSE 'YES' TO VIEW THIS SITE OR ELSE I'LL KILL YOUR DOG!") but my internet has been screwed up ever since I dled it.

JoeImp · Posted: 10 Nov 2004 07:47:07 pm Post subject:

Thanks Arcane, really simple solution.

Simply go to add/remove programs, click the check box at the top to show updates, and remove "Windows Service Pack 2." I kept all my programs intact, desktop intact, everything. It even said some programs might get messed up, and it listed them, and they aren't messed up :)

And yay, I have a debugger now! Back to work for me!

Imp

(Im going to run aquamark / 3dmark on SP1 now, to see if there's any difference at all between the two of them. Probly not, would be an interesting experiment anyways.)

Thanks again, Arcane

Brazucs · Posted: 11 Nov 2004 05:59:36 pm Post subject:

I have Aquamark on SP2 and it's working fine.

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 12 Nov 2004 06:34:19 am Post subject:

NETWizz · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 04:28:21 am Post subject:

XP SP2 typically runs very well.

I must report after setting it up, my computer has become more stable in that it has never once blue screened or crashed since. I even ran it 31 days once then rebooted.

As for removing SP2, you can via Add/Remove

HijackThis is good for removing Browser Helper Objects, and fixing spyware that messes up IE. Do not use it unless you know what you are doing because much of what you find is needed.

If in doubt, post a hijackthis log.

Next, adaware SE is awsome, as is spybot.

I have never heard of popupkiller pro, so I can't make a decision one way or another.

I would recomend installing SP2 and turning off some of the annoying balloon tips though. I would also recomend keeping your computer up to date with win update after installing it.

As far as the windows firewall goes, it works decently now. I would recomend a hardware firewall + software firewall set to keep outgoing ports in check. Antivirus is a necesity. You can get AVG or Avast for free. Both are okay, but only install one antivirus program per computer :)

If you don't install SP2, you will get many of its updates from windows update anyway, so overtime you will end up with SP2 whether you like it or not unless you stop using windows update.

As far as disabling windows update is concerned, good luck. You can turn off updates via system properties, and run the group policy editor via gpedit.msc in the run box (XP Pro only) and turn off windows update, but it will still nag you at times.

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 10:11:15 am Post subject:

Windows' firewall blocks it's own network workgroup, even when you have everything (file sharing and whatnot) set up correctly. :|

Hence, I just keep it turned off and rely on my router's firewall and the fact that nobody want's to hack me, which is 10x better anyway.

leofox · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 12:55:30 pm Post subject:

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 12:59:59 pm Post subject:

That doesn't mean what I said is false, for that you'd need to prove that there are no possible situations wherein Windows' firewall blocks access to it's own workgroup.

Good luck with that considering blocking it's own workgroup is exactly what it does on my network, have to disable it to be able to share files over the network, internet is shared correctly, but you don't need the correct workgroup for that.

NETWizz · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 06:07:46 pm Post subject:

Well, it is just a matter of setting it up correctly.

Notice these checkboxes:

Arcane Wizard · Posted: 14 Nov 2004 07:08:07 pm Post subject:

I'm talking SP1, I'm not letting SP2 anywhere near my HD.

Brazucs · Posted: 15 Nov 2004 12:20:17 pm Post subject:

You can still set up a firewall on SP1, just not as... um... good as SP2. But I'd just get Norton.

shadowing · Posted: 15 Nov 2004 08:59:40 pm Post subject:

Okay. I still trust SP2. It's going well for me. I don't see why you guys have problems. Well, maybe.. Oh well, SP2's working for me. Yippee!!! And it's on a 64 bit machine.

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