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ahudson


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Posted: 27 Oct 2009 03:21:52 pm    Post subject:

People are always talking about Z80 and 68K programming, but I don't really see anything in the Z80 categories about the TI-86. Does anyone here still use them? I'd recommend one over an 83+: despite being discontinued, they're by far the most powerful Z80 out there. Anyone here still programming one?
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TheStorm


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Posted: 27 Oct 2009 06:14:06 pm    Post subject:

I've done some programing for them, though not much. The Ticalc.org section has quite a few programs for them also.
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Fryedsoft


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Posted: 27 Oct 2009 09:18:05 pm    Post subject:

Technically, I'm one.

I haven't touched one this decade though...
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tifreak8x


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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 11:29:31 am    Post subject:

hmm.. haven't programmed my 86 in a year or so, since I ported over the RPG Starter Kit over to it. =]

Oh wait, just checked, that is been just over 2 years ago. wow. =o
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DigiTan
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 12:01:48 pm    Post subject:

I never really got why they 86'd the 86. Yeah, it may not have flash capabilities, but it had a lot of style and function for the cost. And you've gotta love the wide screen and RAM for gaming purposes and such. I guess they just had to make room in the product line.
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Fryedsoft


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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 09:41:05 pm    Post subject:

I've always said they canned the 86 because it was slow. Primarily because it's RAM was so large they had to do RAM paging.

If they would have made an 86+ with the smaller ram footprint of the 85 and the flash capabilities of the 83 in place of the extra ram, it would have sold well, but for whatever reason, Ti is fixated on keeping the 82 around until the end of time, while phasing out their more capable models (the 85 and 92 variants) and replacing them with inferior models (such as the Nspire.)


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DigiTan
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 10:26:59 pm    Post subject:

Whoa whoa whoa! Don't go picking on my lovable ol' 82! Very Happy Sure. Other models my have faster processing, flash storage, LCD driver functionality, silent linking, documentation, and complex arithmetic. But the 82 has character.

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calcdude84se


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Posted: 02 Nov 2009 08:59:09 am    Post subject:

Fryedsoft wrote:
Ti is fixated on keeping the 82 around until the end of time, while phasing out their more capable models (the 85 and 92 variants) and replacing them with inferior models (such as the Nspire.)

By '82' do you mean the 82, 83, and 83+ series? (83+(SE), 84+(SE))? They all have approximately the same capabilities.
If TI is phasing out the 92/89/89 Titanium/Voyage 200/etc. then I will be extremely annoyed, since I am set on buying myself a Titanium or Voyage 200.


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Galandros


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Posted: 02 Nov 2009 09:19:00 am    Post subject:

Is relatively easy to port a ASM ram program for TI-86?
The main issues are safe rams, changes to plot graphics routines (just ignore some part of the screen), small font routine and bcalls. If that is it, I think it is not that hard.

I think that with some documentation would be easy to port... The key port works exactly as with a 83+plus family?

I think I could easily manage to port my future programs to TI-85 and TI-86 since they are similar. Smile And there are emulators to test it...
This could give another nice topic to z80 assembly programming in calculators...
EDIT: you can contribute to WikiTI directly and/or discuss here (or in a new topic)
EDIT2: Sorry, this is in BASIC section :S


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ahudson


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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 05:07:26 pm    Post subject:

I don't know too much about assembly, but I know that switching from a TI-83 Plus to a TI-86 is an easy process. The commands are very similar to the 83 Plus, except for some being abbreviated (i.e. Output( versus Outpt(, ZStandard vs. Zstd). However, there are more features in basic such as using built-in features such as the polynomial root finder, unlimited variables of any type, and more.

The main difference between the TI-83 Plus and the TI-86 is how each handles variables. On the 83+, you select from a variety of pre-defined variables to use. However, on the 86, any variable can have any name up to 8 characters, but can not be the same as a command. Oh, and I forgot another great thing about the 86--You can type in commands and put them in a custom menu using the catalog.

People in my classes are amazed how my $10 calculator outperforms their $120 ones. Grayscale in assembly programs works much better and is a LOT less flickery, programs can exceed 30 kilobytes, and there are other handy features such as a catalog that remembers your place. I'm definitely sticking with the 86.
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DigiTan
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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 05:09:32 pm    Post subject:

TI-86's are 10 dollars?
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ahudson


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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 05:25:16 pm    Post subject:

I was lucky on eBay. You can get one in great shape with the link cable and documentation for about $40 en eBay for a Buy It Now.
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ztrumpet


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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 05:41:16 pm    Post subject:

Wow, an 86 sounds really tempting now.

It's pretty neat what you can get for $10. Smile
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ahudson


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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 06:46:06 pm    Post subject:

They're great machines. If you take a mathematics course, I'd recommend one!
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ztrumpet


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Posted: 19 Dec 2009 10:38:10 am    Post subject:

Hey! I got an 86 for Christmas!
Do you know of any good documentation for them? I guess you could say I'm an 86 programmer now...
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TheStorm


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Posted: 19 Dec 2009 11:20:14 pm    Post subject:

ztrumpet, the manual and playing around should be enough, as for asm the doc's are sparse as ti didn't release more than a few .inc files.
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tifreak8x


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Posted: 20 Dec 2009 06:22:43 pm    Post subject:

There is The Guide, which is a site hosted by ticalc.org

Otherwise, if you have a question, post it and I am sure someone will be able to answer it.
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TheStorm


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Posted: 21 Dec 2009 01:54:55 pm    Post subject:

Yeah I may not have done anything with my 86 Knowledge but that doesn't mean I or someone else can't help you with any 86 specific questions.
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ztrumpet


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Posted: 21 Dec 2009 02:59:19 pm    Post subject:

Cool. I'm discovering that the 86 is best suted for use in math class. It seems to have a lot of really cool functions.
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TheStorm


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Posted: 22 Dec 2009 10:09:41 pm    Post subject:

It also has some of the best Games, gray-scale was also much easier on the 86 so there are more games that take advantage of it.
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