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DigiTan
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Posted: 19 Oct 2005 09:41:33 pm    Post subject:

I've been trying to make sense of all the calc shells and ROM versions out there lately. To be specific, I'm putting together a webpage to help clear this up for calc newbs but I'm in need of some information myself.

Basically, I want it to look sort of like this place but for ROMs and Shells. For the most part I can't make heads or tails out of which shells are active, what the latest versions are, whice ROMs they support, etc. It's a ton of info to comb through.

I've got TI-82 covered and it looks like everybody is using nostub for TI-86, so I won't need many details there for a while. Can you guys help me fill in the gaps with the remaining models (probably starting with 83+)? Anything related to the following is helpful, but really I'll take anything I can get... Cool

* Calc model's status (active, discontinued, obscure, etc)
* Basic hardware info (flash? RAM? USB? LCD size?)
* How to get calc's ROM version
* Known ROM versions
* Shells (old, new, upcoming, etc)
* Versions for active shells (and what ROMs are supported)


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AlienCC
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Posted: 19 Oct 2005 11:03:05 pm    Post subject:

DigiTan wrote:
* Calc model's status (active, discontinued, obscure, etc)
* Basic hardware info (flash? RAM? USB? LCD size?)
* How to get calcs ROM version
* Known ROM versions
* Shells (old, new, upcoming, etc)
* Versions for active shells (and what ROMs are supported)
[post="59148"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]


Ti-83:
* Has been discontinued.
* No Flash Memory. Total Free Ram: (27K) 27118 Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 96h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
* Known Rom Versions: 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 1.10. (May be incomplete)
* Most popular shells of all time, AShell83 v1.0, Ion v1.6, and SOS v2.0.
* All of the shells and versions I listed should support all of the rom versions I listed.

Ti-83 Plus:
* Still in production at this time.
* Flash Memory: 160K. Total Free Ram: (24K) 24079 Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 96h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
* Known Rom Versions: 1.03, 1.07, 1.10, 1.12, 1.16, 1.18. (Is incomplete)
* Most popular shells of all time, AShell83 v1.0, Ion v1.6, SOS v2.0, and MirageOS v1.2.
* All of the shells and versions I listed should support all of the rom versions I listed.

Ti-83 Plus Silver Edition:
* Still in production at this time.
* Flash Memory: 1540K. Total Free Ram: (24K) 24317 Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 96h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
*
*
*

Ti-84 Plus:
* Still in production at this time.
* Flash Memory: 480K. Total Free Ram: (24K) ? Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 96h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
*
*
*

Ti-84 Plus Silver Edition:
* Still in production at this time.
* Flash Memory: 1.5M. Total Free Ram: (24K) ? Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 96h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
*
*
*

Ti-85:
* Has been discontinued.
* No Flash Memory. Total Free Ram: (28K) 28226 Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 128h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
* Known Rom Versions: 3.0a, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 8.0, 9.0, 10.0. (May be incomplete)
* Most popular shells of all time, ZShell v4.0, Usgard v1.5, PhatOS v0.9, Rigel v1.0, and OS-85 v3.1.
* All of the shells and versions I listed should support most of the rom versions I listed.

Ti-86:
* Still in production at this time.
* No Flash Memory. Total Free Ram: (96K) ? Bytes. Traddional Link Port only. LCD Size 128h x 64v.
* [MODE] + [Alpha] + [S]
* Known Rom Versions: 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6. (May be incomplete)
* Most popular shells of all time, AShell v1.1, Rascall v0.9, and Yet Another Shell 2.21..
* All of the shells and versions I listed should support most of the rom versions I listed.

I will continue to add other models to this post as I find my TI's, and have time to, unless someone else wants to beat me to some of these, or post corrections to what I listed.

--AlienCC


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CoBB


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Posted: 19 Oct 2005 11:12:22 pm    Post subject:

That's a bit too much flash memory for the plain plus. You might confuse it with the SE.
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AlienCC
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Posted: 19 Oct 2005 11:33:20 pm    Post subject:

CoBB wrote:
That's a bit too much flash memory for the plain plus. You might confuse it with the SE.
[post="59159"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Already fixed, thanks.

--AlienCC
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Jeremiah Walgren
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 12:46:14 am    Post subject:

ticalc.org's Calculator Basics page might help a little.

Will you be including information on kernels as well? I could help you out on the 68k family (and I'm sure Sir Robin could help even more).
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Rezek
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 06:41:20 am    Post subject:

Isn't Venus fairly popular?

Ya'know, I had a essay written up about shells that was going to be put as an article by Ticalc.org. I just sort of left it on my comp. Maybe I'll upload it later...
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 08:05:01 am    Post subject:

for the 83+, CrunchyOS?
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DigiTan
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 10:00:59 am    Post subject:

Yeah, kernels will work too. I'll probably check with DWedit for the full story on Crunchy.

Does MirageOSs for both 83+ and 84+ at once or is it two different versions? Any info on TI-73 will help too, it seems to have some good games out too lately.
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AlienCC
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 05:31:14 pm    Post subject:

Please realize most of what I'm listing for Shells is what I remember from a few years ago, so please post the needed corrections with TI-model, and I will go back and edit my post above with them.

--AlienCC
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alexrudd
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 05:39:10 pm    Post subject:

DigiTan wrote:
Does MirageOSs for both 83+ and 84+ at once or is it two different versions?  Any info on TI-73 will help too, it seems to have some good games out too lately.  [post="59190"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]
I am almost certain there is only one version of MirageOS (not 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, I mean there is not a separate one for each model.)

On the 83 series, can't you access the OS version from the Mem menu?
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DarkerLine
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 06:18:28 pm    Post subject:

The only shell for the TI-73 is Mallard, look it up as I don't know much about it.
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koolmansam375


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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 06:24:48 pm    Post subject:

your work has been somewhat done (by GuillameH at MC's forums):

http://paxl.org:2080/~gh/ti83/unification.html
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 06:56:06 pm    Post subject:

Only for some of the calculators.
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Rezek
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 06:59:41 pm    Post subject:

'Tis an excellent guide though; I refer to it all the time for one thing or another. Mostly for ram lookups.
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DigiTan
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 08:24:52 pm    Post subject:

Guillaume H approached me around Christmas 03 when I had questions about porting Robot War to the new TI-82s. This list is similar, but I'm trying to make it very comprehensive (for popular shells anyway) and possibly with some calc pics to match. Sort of like the Datamath calculator museum. I've got a ~partial version finished and ready to publish very soon.

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bananaman
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Posted: 20 Oct 2005 09:06:03 pm    Post subject:

Crunchy is the most popular around my school. Followed only by Mirage for the 83/84 series. Ion is not seen anymore.
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Ray Kremer


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Posted: 24 Oct 2005 02:03:26 pm    Post subject:

This would be great if you manage to pull it off. I only have a second hand familiarity with most of the shells that are out there. My FAQ page has lists of shells, mostly just names copied out of the listings in ticalc.org's archive, and most of them were never used by a significant number of people. Here's possibly relevant stuff that I can piece together off the top of my head:

82: assembly was cracked late in its life, was never significant. I think the major shells were Ash and CrAsh.
83: Ion was the big one, I don't even remember what was used prior to Ion, essentially every shell made afterwards was Ion compatible.
83+: Ion carried over until MirageOS came out and rapidly took dominance, CrunchyOS is the only other one you ever really hear about.
84+: Just uses the 83+ stuff.
85: ZShell of course, all later shells were ZShell compatible. Usgard seemed to become popular when it came out but I doubt it ever actually surpassed ZShell.
86: Asm program are never writen under shells, though a plethora of imitation-shell programs emerged to provide program menus and such. All can be run using the catalog's Asm() command, including the "shells". I never really kept track of which ones were popular, I myself stuck with the smallest one I could find because I didn't care about the other features that most of them were bloated with.
92: Fargo
92+/89: DoorsOS dominated for awhile, then stopped updating and was replaced by competing shells PreOS and UniversalOS. Note also the HW2 patch.
89Ti/V200: By the time the 89Ti and AMS 3.x came out, UniversalOS stopped updating, leaving only PreOS. HW3 patch replaces HW2 patch.

People kept asking about Ion and DoorsOS for a long time after they were essentially replaced, because they had been written in to massive numbers of game readme/documentation files.
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Brazucs
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Posted: 24 Oct 2005 04:53:44 pm    Post subject:

bananaman wrote:
Crunchy is the most popular around my school.  Followed only by Mirage for the 83/84 series.  Ion is not seen anymore.[post="59307"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Wow: it's tough to see Crunchy as the first one...

[aside] At my old highschool, I used to be the only person who brought in all the new programs and shared them with my friends (kinda still am by giving them to my sister and friends that still go to HS). They'd then share it with theirs and so on.
I actually did an experiment once and added in worthless pieces of code like

Code:
If 1=2:Version 1

Code:
If 1=2:Version 2
and etc (up to 23) and gave one to each of my friends. A few weeks later, I checked my friends' friends and see who got what from who. I was able to guess the path each program took by who I knew were friends with who.
I also did a version that ++ed an obscure variable (something from the Finance Menu) everytime you ran the game. That way I could check how many times someone played it. Some numbers astounded me (well into the early thousands!). Quite interesting stuff.

Anyways, I tried inroducing CrunchyOS into the gene pool but people were too Miraged to care about it.


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aforsy
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Posted: 24 Oct 2005 05:04:33 pm    Post subject:

it could also be that some people actually used those variables...and stored big numbers in them....well, i guess not...

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Jeremiah Walgren
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Posted: 24 Oct 2005 10:46:10 pm    Post subject:

Ray Kremer wrote:
92+/89: DoorsOS dominated for awhile, then stopped updating and was replaced by competing shells PreOS and UniversalOS. Note also the HW2 patch.
89Ti/V200: By the time the 89Ti and AMS 3.x came out, UniversalOS stopped updating, leaving only PreOS. HW3 patch replaces HW2 patch.[post="59590"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Would KerNO be deserving of a mention?
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