However, I feel that even without this monetary aspect, TI has a social responsibility to support developers and coders. The world is rapidly moving towards a phase where technology is an integral part of every facet of everyday life from waking to sleep, and this technological progress must be supported by successive generations that are enthusiastic about engineering, programming, and invention. I have talked to countless individuals in my role as a community figure over the years who cite their TI calculator, its programming abilities, and the TI programming community for getting them into technology fields, to technology-related majors, and finally to technical careers. TI is taking the unsupportable step of trying to actively prevent any sort of development on their devices, cripping the BASIC variant on the Nspires beyond recognition, taking legal action against community members who try to expand the programmability even of the tried-and-true TI-83+/SE and TI-84+/SE series that has relatively unrestricted programming capabilities, and fighting a "jailbreaking" arms race with the community in its TI-Nspire line akin to Apple's attempts to keep developers from freely using its platform.

And if you welcome hackers, your platform will be made to do more awesome things more quickly, will get more free publicity as a result, and as an extra bonus, you'll curry favor with the hacker/enthusiast community. Makes sense to me!

Ndless is a workaround for the protections on the TI-Nspire calculators, and therefore I'm not surprised that it's unstable. Cemetech doesn't provide support for it

I really, really want to not get into a cat-and-mouse game with TI about this; Cemetech for one will not be officially supporting any Ndless-like efforts for the TI-84 Plus CE.

Unfortunately, Ndless is an unsupported hack on the TI-Nspires, so unless someone who uses Ndless here has an idea what might be going wrong, you may be out of luck.

I suppose it's mainly due to the better relationship that Cemetech has with Texas Instruments

And besides that, supporting Ndless or similar tools doesn't mean that you can't have a good relationship with TI. I think there are enough examples proving that is perfectly possible.

Besides, there are other forums that are much more "ndelss friendly" and nspire oriented

Kerm editing out his post 2 days ago was a good thing, but not enough. IMO, there needs to be a commitment not to attack Ndless / its authors / Ndless-based programs anymore. For the sake of Cemetech itself (it's hard to envision Cemetech becoming a leading Nspire-related place, with such deterrents for knowledgeable Nspire members to participate), and for the community as a whole.

Fast forward to today. Cemetech has become a different place, a place where Ndless is seen as 'an unsupported hack'.

I really, really want to not get into a cat-and-mouse game with TI about this; Cemetech for one will not be officially supporting any Ndless-like efforts for the TI-84 Plus CE.

Because hacking/tweaking/modifying handheld calculators is just what made this community so alive. It's what drives it to innovate. Cemetech would not become what it's now without it.

I hope that Cemetech will not continue it's 'hostility' (because that's how it feels) towards Ndless. Just as a knife can be used to do harm, in most cases it's used for productive and innovative things.

I'll add that the authorship of Ndless was misattributed multiple times, despite explanations.

it's hard to envision Cemetech becoming a leading Nspire-related place, with such deterrents for knowledgeable Nspire members to participate

Much of this discussion smells to me like statements of opinion or personal impressions as fact and I doubt my statements will come off differently, so take this with a grain of salt.

That brings me to my second point, which is that I don't feel the staff here are actively suppressing discussion of ndless/nspire hacking- it is just that few of the regulars are interested in playing that game with TI, while we (myself included) find there are more worthwhile things to pursue.

I think it's important to remember that Kerm is not the whole of Cemetech. Just because he says something (poorly) and it gets interpreted a certain way, doesn't mean we all agree. Me and Jonimus both told him that the "unsupported hack" part came across as aggressive and kind of weird, given that DCS is also unsupported.

So, again, Kerm is not all of Cemetech. Even the staff have different opinions on lots of things. That said, I can see where Kerm is coming from there. Arms races aren't fun, and we don't want to deal with platforms that are locked out like that. It's not nearly as political as you make it seem. It's just uninteresting to most of us.

I 100% agree. I've always been pro us doing whatever we want to have fun with our devices. I said so with the Prizm, and I'd say so with the CE--though it looks like that may not be a problem with the CE. I don't really have much of an opinion on the nspire. I'm mostly indifferent.

Of course, I should also stress that Kerm is able to make "executive decisions" on what we will and won't officially support. That doesn't mean that I'll follow them, though

I certainly have, as an infrequent, English-language visitor to TI-Planet, seen TI-Planet as the main website providing Ndless news and downloads,

and hence assumed that Ndless was, officially or unofficially, a TI-Planet project. I know you've said it before, but would you be sufficiently kind as to add a succinct explanation of what the relationship is here so I don't unintentionally offend with incorrect information in the future?