Okay, I've taken the liberty to compile all the idea's for the Cemetech Site from both this thread & this thread.

If I've managed to miss any idea's & points, feel free to add them in a post. I - or a Moderator/Admin - will add it to this numbered list where it can be referred back to with ease (via Bullet Number).

I've provided any & all points I could find in those two topics, any supporting arguments/points are added as a second level of bullets for ease of reference and for the fact you don't need to go searching for any posts.

Here it is:

Ummm, breaking a contract is a *civil* matter. Which means that you can't go to jail over it.

But violating THAT contract would be theft, so you would go to jail over it. It's like if I make a contract with you not to kill each other, but you kill me anyway. Not only can I (really my family) sue you, you would also go to jail for murder (assuming you don't get away with it).

Anyway, thanks for compiling the ideas, some18kanal0n3. I hope that some of these get used, and that some of them don't, but it's still good to have them all in one place.

No, it is not theft (pirating can never be classified as theft, by the way). It isn't illegal at all since TI freely distributes it themselves, aside from, of course, the agreement made between the downloader and TI. Aside from that agreement, no laws are being broken, thus no jail time. The EULA itself is of questionable legality to begin with, so the entire thing may be legal regardless of the EULA.

If ti freely distributes ROMS, then why would this "contract" be neccessary at all?

And even though piracy shouldn't be considered theft, that doesn't mean you can't serve jailtime for it.

When I wrote the idea, I believed that the distribution of ROMs was illegal. I still do. So I proposed a contract so we could obtain each Calculator ROM and use them online. If someone knows a lawyer who wants to clean this up, please ask them.

But lets no get into a Contract/No Contract & Theft/Not Theft war.

... of course, its not a feature thats absolutely neccessary; if it cant be implemented legally, then too bad.... people will just have to use current emulators...

No, piracy is NOT THEFT - both by definition and in the view of the law. Software piracy wasn't even illegal until sometime within the last 20-30 years (you could copy a copyrighted work so long as you didn't make a profit - obviously computers changed this quite a bit).

Regardless, it is again, by definition, not theft, nor will it ever be. Software piracy is illegal due to copyright infringement.

Fine, wonderful, but we're getting off-topic here. I have no interest in Cemetech or users or myself entering into any contracts, so the whole argument is moot unless you care enough about it for me to split this thread for you to argue about it.