Literally nobody knows right now, so it's all theories. We will hopefully have more information directly from TI in the next few weeks...

That's why it's fun: trying to guess with the limited leaked informations!

Did any of you try to order one while the Amazon page was up?

This is so much different than the TI84+CE release

I think some were able, I heard something like that in chat. I was only able to put it to wish list in amazon.de before it disappeared from there too.

I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't even get any assembly support on this calculator especially with how TI has been handling 5.6+ on the 84+CE and above. I'm sure the community will be able to come up with an "Artifice" on the Evo given time, though I expect it will take a while.

I will say this new home setup will take some time getting used to, since pretty much everything has been the same since the TI-83 at least for the most part.

I also hope TI has taken time to refine the user interface to be a little bit more modern since we've had almost the same menu layouts since the 90s

I hope they don’t make new menu layouts. Teachers have been using the same calculator interfaces to teach for years and it would make their jobs a lot harder if some kids had different interfaces.

Well, TI being "allergic to change" because of that is basically the main reason why they lost their dominant market share in France when NumWorks arrived and took the #1 position in just a few years. It wasn't so hard to come up with a clean modern interface on a mid range graphing calculator when the competition had been using the same software UI design for 25+ years... (just colorized here and there on a bigger screen). And guess what, teachers made the move just fine!

So technically, why wouldn't American teachers be able to adapt to a new product? I'd even say it could be easier there because of how whole classrooms or districts sometimes get EdTech equipment in bulk from a manufacturer, so everyone would be using the same model, which is easier for teachers to manage.

But anyway, as we've seen, the Evo only made minor relatively changes to the keypad so it's likely going to be the same on the software menus/UI side once you choose your app from the icon screen.

I guess in the US NumWorks isn't enough of a threat for TI currently (and they'd be right, considering their market share) so TI isn't really taking big steps to try to step up their game in the OS UI/UX department. But they're still acknowledging the need of a refresh for some parts (like the icon screen). The hardware change (that they clearly did) needed to reach 3x speed and more user memory, might be the bigger story here if it allows them to push software modifications further as they feel the need to, for internal or external reasons/pressure...

There are big differences between France and the US. Before Numworks, TI *and* Casio were dominating the market in France (TI was leader for color calcs, Casio for monochrom), this is not the same in the US, where TI is a monopoly (almost). In France, Casio was the most impacted by the Numworks, TI not as much, at least before 2024 I would say. Numworks was clearly hoping to displace the ti84 in the US, but that does not really happen (Numworks last back to school sales at amazon were higher than in 2024, peak at 4,000/month vs 100,000+/month for the ti84, but current sales at 400 units/month are a little less than one year ago) and that's probably the reason why Numworks are now starting the competition with Desmos.
TI itself did not succeed replacing the ti84 with the ti nspire.
Therefore I think it's probable that the ti84-evo will keep the same UI except for the splash screen. Evo means evolution, not revolution.

I do hope that the TI-84 Evo uses the FN keys like the 68k Calcs

I would guess it would probably use the FN keys the same way the CE uses them, to keep the layout familiar.

Exactly, in the US they just need an Evolution, so the 84 Evo is fine.

In France they would definitely need a Revolution... Maybe that's why we haven't seen anything about a 83 (R)Evo yet... because it doesn't exist yet? It sure takes a lot more time to design something very different, but that should have started years ago...

TI-84 Plus Evo-T just leaked today too.
Planned for BTS 2026, will replace the TI-84 Plus CE-T Python Edition.
https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27286&p=280222#p280222

In Finnish "evo" means "skill issue" ref: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evo#Finnish which could also be case with some of TI's calculators, hopefully not with this one.

As a bunch of you noticed, I put together a video discussing what we know so far. Thanks for everyone who has shared great info that I incorporated:

Except that the US market is nothing like the French market. First off France as a paltry 69 million people compared to the US with 345 million. The French economic market can best be described against the US one as a region of the US. Second, as was already pointed out in this thread, the positioning of Ti against competitors is much different. Ti was never in nearly the same secure position anywhere in Europe compared to the US (and NA in general actually).

And Ti is not allergic to change, they are allergic to losing money and market share. And it is not just as allergy either, it is actually toxic to them. And what makes them money and keep up their market share? It is not the cutting edge nature of the device. It is not flashy innovation. It is reliability, an established knowledge base and continuity. And these are three things that Ti can lord over their competitors for a very, very long time-- even while they take small victories capturing minor markets.

These debates are quickly becoming boring. And I find those who engage in them often have little understand of the business side of the house nor a healthy appreciation for what Ti actually managed to accomplish in the late 80s/early 90s in education. I know the bend here is to say they got a monopoly and had government support to push out their device over competitors with better and more advanced products. But that is business, Casio didn't organize teachers and get people on board from the ground up, Ti did that work and now it is paying off for them in spades. Ti did something that no calculator company, not even the great HP could do during the handheld heyday and subsequent tide into education. And that means something and it is not just luck or big evil corporation.

This debate reminds of when I was a teen and kids on the school yard would argue about which handheld video game was better. Nintendo GameBoy was old, slow and didn't have a colour screen but had the best games. Sure the GameGear had a colour screen and faster gameplay but you'd be hard pressed to find a kid who owned one bragging about it on the playground (probably because it would be dead before any demonstration was over). What Nintendo did was not use the latest and greatest tech but kept with the reliable and familiar and won over the people who mattered, not the kids playing the games but the parents buying them and putting stock in the Nintendo seal of approval. This is exactly how Ti operators in education. They do not have the fanciest, flashiest programs or OS for their devices, but they have familiar, tried and tested ones. They do not have powerful devices, nor ones that incorporate the latest tech, but again they have familiar ones that even someone who used the Ti 83 Plus was back in 2000 when they were in high school can still help their child with their new Ti 84 Plus CE Python get their homework done.

McDonald's isn't worth what it is worth today because they make great burgers, it is because they make an okay burger consistently. It is foolish to walk into a McDonald's and demand a better burger and question why they do not pour resources into making it better. Texas Instruments Education isn't worth what it is worth today because they make great calculators. You get the idea...

Then you'll be surprised to learn that France was the second largest market in the world for graphing calculators, after the United States.
Up to 2021-2022. Might not be the case anymore.

Why do you think we had been getting so many localized TI/Casio graphing calculators for years ?

Losing France was far from being anecdotic for TI.

Yeah I'm not sure who you think we are / are not or know / don't know, Jacober. We are in fact well aware of the market, cultural, and economical differences at play here.
(And we also happen to have access to non-public data about all this).
Nobody said TI is going to lose the US market to NumWorks because they didn't do more than rework the menu screen. Nobody said either than the French market was bigger than the USA's?!
Maybe my message wasn't clear enough earlier, but oh well. Doesn't really matter now, the point is that the Evo as is (ie assuming the changes are not deeper than what has leaked so far) won't make TI win the French market back, and it's precisely why they may be preparing for something bigger than an 84 Evo with a French keypad and exam LED

And investing in "change" requires an investment of money, time, and personnel, unless there's a provable benefit to adapting said change (money, time, personnel). Ex post facto, companies are allergic to change that doesn't benefit their business model.


Can you elaborate on what knowledge base and continuity you think TI lords over?


Many of the people on this forum run their own businesses; a handful here have personal contacts within TI and know things about what TI values, how it operates, and why it makes decisions it does that might surprise you. So the sense people here "have little understanding of the business side" is fallacious.


I trust even you know that these are not mutually exclusive. A company can make very smart business decisions BUT ALSO rely on cheap tactics like government political push and shady conduct to push itself ahead of competitors. TI has made some very good business decisions. It has also leveraged government/regulative influence to give itself the edge over competitors. I also think you're overselling the "evil corporation" line here. No-one here is accusing TI of being evil. It's a typical business doing typically business things that sometimes thread the lines of ethics. Don't hate the player, hate the game. The system rewards skirting the lines--if you can get away with it.


Debates over what hardware can and can't do, feature expectations, and competition of the kind you elaborate on is literally what drives.. literally the all of economics. I'm not quite sure likening these discussions to that is the negative you think it is.

My reply quoted where you replied to the claim that Ti is allergic to innovation. Any response Doré fly to you stopped there. I know there are many, many people who get how and why Ti operates and does what it does (and has good reasons to disagree with it).

My response was to those people bold enough to say Ti just plumb hates innovation and is content being a monopoly handed to them by the US education system. And to pretend these sentiments are not present in any discussion involving Ti and their competitors is a little disingenuous. Nothing I said here was new to these boards.