Hi, I've been working on this review for a couple of weeks now, I've designed the wording to be more of a script since I plan on making a video out of this. I posted this on an HP forum just to be sure I have my facts straight and it seems like anything HP related is OK. However, while you're reading, if anything misleading or outright wrong stands out to you don't be afraid to call me out on it! I'd like to be as accurate as possible and any feedback is appreciated. Enjoy:

Too long? Don't wanna read?
Check out my video which summarizes the whole review!



Hello everyone, you may have noticed my HP Prime G2 unboxing video, it's been roughly 6 months since I shot that footage and I've been using my HP Prime heavily during math class ever since. How has it held up during that time? Are the materials weak? Are the specifications up to par with my workload? Does it have the software support to back the internals? How does it compare to similar calculators like the TI Nspire and Casio Classpad? Is it good enough to make me switch from my TI 84 Plus CE? For each topic I cover I'll be giving it a letter grade from A+ being the best and F being unacceptable.

Let's start on the outside and work our way in starting with the build quality. The HP Prime is slightly wider than the TI calculators but a bit shorter too while staying just as thin as an Nspire CX. I'd say the plastic on the HP Prime is more grippy than the TI 84 Plus CE but maybe not as much as the TI Nspire CX. This makes the calculator easy to hold with one or two hands and makes it feel like you've just upgraded from a regular sized phone to the 'Plus' version. The rubber feet are miles better than the TI 84 Plus CE allowing it to stick on to extremely steep surfaces. Although I have not dropped my HP Prime, I can tell you that the plastic on the HP Prime does not feel as durable as the TI 84 Plus CE, personally, the plastic feels thin and I'm afraid it will crack after a few drops on a hard floor. My TI 84 Plus CE on the other hand has survived numerous drops and does have many chips but no cracks. That's not to say the same about the metal plate, it feels very durable and I kind of wish the whole calculator had been made out of it.


(Calculators from left to right: HP Prime G2, Casio fx-cp400/ Casio fx-cg500, Nspire CX II CAS, TI-84 Plus CE)


Let's go over what my HP Prime actually looks like after using it for a few months. Most noticeable are the scratches. The plastic back is not very scratch resistant. I've been keeping this calculator in my bag next to my glasses case. The case is like a capsule and has a glossy smooth finish. That's nothing compared to the zipper pocket I've been keeping my TI 84 Plus CE in for four years, and it doesn't look much worse! On the other hand, the HP Prime's metal plate has absolutely no scratches. The next thing I'd like to cover is the gunk that gets on the calculator. Fortunately it doesn't get in between the metal plate gaps. However, it does get on white keys and under the direction pad. It's simple to scratch it off the keys but it's not so easy to clean the direction pad. Lastly, fingerprints. They actually weren't an issue in the places I thought they would. The screen and the glossy bar on the slide case wipe off very easily. I did apply a tempered glass screen protector to my calculator so I don't know if the actual screen is this easy to clean. The place where finger prints are difficult to remove is the glossy bar under the screen where the buttons are. They don't come off easy and it's quite tedious to go in between each button. Therefor I highly suggest you get a fabric case to store the calculator in, people who have used a case report that their HP Prime still looks brand new. Overall I give the HP Prime a solid A for build quality. It feels durable, and the rubber feet and metal plate are very nice. I wish it was more scratch resistant but there's only so much you can do with plastic.



Enough about the outside of the calculator, let's get to the best part: the internals. The HP Prime G2 has a 32 bit Cortex/ ARMv7 CPU clocked at 528 megahertz. For comparison, the Nspire CX 2 has a 32 bit ARM9/ARMv5 CPU clocked at 396 megahertz and the TI 84 Plus CE has an abysmal 8 bit ez-80 CPU clocked at only 48 megahertz! The Prime also has 256mb of RAM and 512mb of NAND FLASH while the Nspire CX 2 has 64mb of RAM and 128mb of FLASH and the TI 84 Plus CE has a mere 256kb of RAM and 4mb of FLASH.



The fantastic specifications of the HP Prime provides incredible speed allowing it to do operations insanely quickly! When I bench marked a summation equation (x^2 from 0 to 1000) on my HP Prime and my TI 84 Plus CE, the HP Prime was nearly instant while the CE took 10 seconds to calculate it. The only issue with this speed is now I have to wait for my teacher and classmates to catch up with my because they're still computing some complex integral! This speed, along with it's very accurate capacitive multi touch screen allows it to do things like scroll through the intuitive GUI, zoom in and out of your plotted graphs, or rotate 3D shapes without any lag! This makes the HP Prime score an easy A+ for internals and speed. Unfortunately, what it doesn't get an A+ at is the screen itself.

Let's start with the good things about the screen. Like I just said, the multi touch screen is a joy to have on this calculator. Unlike many other touch screen calculators, the HP Prime has a capacitive touch screen (like the one used in your smart phone) rather than a resistive touch screen . This is important because capacitive touch screens not only feel much better to the touch, it makes it much more responsive and durable, allows the calculator to not require a stylus, and gives it the ability of multi touch. Another good thing are the colors, I was surprised to find they're fairly decent on the HP Prime. Unlike the TI 84 Plus CE and Nspire which can only display roughly 65,000 colors, the HP Prime can display over 16 million colors! Don't expect great color calibration out of the box though. The blacks are darker than on my TI-84 Plus CE but not as dark on my laptop monitor while whites are a bit beige than both my laptop and TI 84 Plus CE.


(Color accuracy test from left to right: TI-84 Plus CE, Surface Book, HP Prime)


I guess this leads into the cons of the display, the screen resolution is the only thing that's not improved over the Nspire or the TI 84 Plus CE. It still has a 320 by 240 pixel LCD screen but the HP has enlarged out the screen so it's much bigger than the TI calculators, but in doing so HP has reduces the pixel density to 114ppi while the Nspire has a slightly better 123ppi (an 8 percent increase) and the TI 84 Plus CE has much better 142ppi (almost a 25 percent increase). Although this sounds like a downgrade, for a calculator screen it's actually very usable in my experience. What isn't so great in my experience is the dithering effect HP applies to the text. I do appreciate HP deciding to make the font bolder instead of leaving the font looking like a pile of sticks however, I strongly feel that using Freetype2 was not the best solution. Although Freetype2 does make the font bolder, it can make characters quite blurry on a screen like this, especially if you daily drive the font size at small. Personally I think subpixel rendering is a much more legible solution, however your experience may be different depending on your font size.


TI-84 Plus CE's font vs HP Prime G2's font


The experience with the screen is worsened by the fact that the viewing angles are not great when you're looking at it like you normally would from a desk. You need to be nearly right above the screen to see it clearly and make out any contrast. This is because, for some unknown reason, someone at HP decided to ignore the developers requests and installed every LCD upside down. It's a real shame because when you turn the calculator upside down, viewing angles become quite good. Onto refresh rates, the HP Prime's refresh rate is not its strong suit. In fact when you look for it, you can see the screen refreshing with just your plain eye. I'll admit though it's easier to see this refresh in certain colors than others and you'll really only see it if you're looking for it. Finally, this is the last gripe I have about the LCD, is the brightness. While it gets up to an acceptable brightness, it's much dimmer than the TI 84 Plus CE's top brightness (especially when I use my advanced brightness changer program). Overall I give the LCD a C+. The viewing angles need to be fixed so you can read the display when sitting normally at your desk, the font needs to be less blurry, and although it's usable, a higher resolution, and brighter display would be welcome. The only thing that redeems the display is the excellent touch screen experience and the amazing amount of colors it can display.



Perhaps keeping the display brightness low was a battery saving measure, by default the HP Prime dims the screen after 30 seconds then waits 5 minutes before auto powering down. However, you can easily change these times to whatever you want.

Speaking of the battery, boy is it big, by far the biggest rechargeable battery I've seen in any calculator. It comes preinstalled with a 2000mAh battery, for comparison the Nspire and the TI 84 Plus CE both come equipped with a 1,200mAh battery) that can last you over 24 hours with nonstop use. You can even order a slightly bigger 2,300mAh battery to upgrade it since it's compatible with Samsung Galaxy S3 batteries! If you're a normal human being, you probably don't use your calculator nonstop so HP integrated a coma feature that basically shuts down the calculator completely, this allows the battery to last for months on a single charge. This feature automatically activates after 3 days, but you can activate it yourself by pressing and holding shift then press on. HP gets an easy A+ for this, I rarely have to worry about charging the HP Prime and having the option to upgrade the battery is fantastic.


(Source: erid on HPMuseum.org)


What about turning the calculator back on from coma mode? On the Nspire a cold boot up is very slow. On the TI 84 Plus CE, recovering from its coma mode takes about two seconds, on the HP Prime it takes 1 or 2 seconds to boot up from coma mode. When it's just in standby, all the calculators turn on in under a second. A+ for boot time!

While we're on the subject of time, how about that internal clock? The clock on the TI 84 Plus CE is an honestly and embarrassment, it drifts several minutes in the span of a few hours and consistently gets reset back to the default time. So I was pretty worried about the HP Prime performing the same. I'm very happy to report that I haven't needed to update the time since last daylight savings! The HP Prime's clock is overall fantastic and I've been very pleased with it. A+ for that HP!

Let's backtrack, remember when I said the HP Prime has a lot of storage? Well HP decided to utilize some of that space for features such as storing the entire ASCII table in a menu, but more importantly it contains the help menu that appears when you press the [help] key. It's incredibly useful, much better than the help menu on the TI 84 Plus CE and Nspire. It explains in detail how a function, command, screen, or just about anything on the calculator works! It even contains examples if you want to try out a working example of that command and includes list of similar commands! A+ for onboard help, very nice!


(HP's help menu (left) vs TI's help menu (right))


How about the keypad? Personally I think this is the best keypad I've felt on any calculator. It's more firm, clicky, and has less travel than a TI 84 Plus CE but isn't nearly as loud as the Nspire. The keymap layout takes a while to get use to, especially when you've strictly been using a TI 84 Plus CE for 4 years. After using this for a few months however, I've grown accustom to the layout and I can type in calculations fairly quickly. If you don't like the keymap, you can actually change it on the fly! Although I haven't used this feature yet, it's a unique feature I haven't seen anywhere else. The keyboard also contains the copy and paste functions which are very convenient to have. The clipboard can holds the last thing you copied along with the last 4 calculations you made! I'd give the keypad an A+ but there's one big complaint that knocks it down. Unlike the Nspire and TI 84 Plus CE (albeit in a very limited fashion) there's no undo key! It's too bad that this has been a highly requested feature ever since the original HP Prime was released in 2013 however, despite all the other features HP managed to cram in this calculator, they dismissed the undo key as 'too hard to implement'! Nevertheless, the keypad is still a great part of the HP Prime and I think it still deserves an A.

Now we're getting into the software of the calculator and oh boy is it a roller coaster of pros and cons.

I know I bashed the LCD pretty hard but the software does give it one pro I have not seen on any other calculator. Dark mode. That's right, this calculator has a system wide dark theme! This is super nice for students who stay up late at night. There's even an option to adjust the system color to a light orange which simulates the night-shift feature on your smartphone. Although I wish the dark mode could be configured to automatically turn on at night and there could be more system colors to choose from, it only takes a second to enter settings and toggle it manually. Well done HP, you get an A for night support.



Let's focus on the home screen where you do your calculations. It's a nice environment, it smoothly integrates the touch screen so you can double tap calculations in your history to bring them directly to the entry line, drag on the entry line to select part of an equation, and horizontally scroll across equations/ answers that don’t fit on the screen (I'm looking at you TI 84 Plus CE). You can tap on a result in your history, then if you press the fraction/decimal toggle button you can change that individual result. A very neat feature is the 'show' button. If you have a long and complex calculation in your history, you just tap the soft key that says show and it will focus on just that entry. It'd be kind of nice if you could zoom in on a specific part of the equation without changing the system font size to large though. You can also scroll through your history and continue typing in your entry. One feature I was surprised wasn't on the home screen was the ability to move the history off the screen while still keeping it around for later use. Currently you can only permanently delete the history. The only thing I really wish this could do is chained history edits. So if you edit one thing in your history, all calculations after it that utilized its output will be changed too. The Casio Classpad does this and it's very convenient. Again though, an undo key would be very welcome in case you accidentally clear your entire entry line.

There's a few other things HP did that just optimize your experience such as one button click to toggle decimal and fraction answers. If you tap the top right corner you can quickly change from degrees to radians and vice versa, and in one button there's a menu for all the most common math functions. If that function isn't there you can quickly find it by clicking the toolbox button and typing in the name of the function you want. That's not always necessary though; since the whole system is ASCII based rather than token based, you can just type out the command you want with the alpha keys! Overall I think the home screen gets an A, it just needs an undo key and chained history edits to be the ideal environment.

Now how about the programming options? Well there are not nearly as many as I hoped there'd be. There's very limited support for Python but people don't recommend that you use Python yet. The best language on here is the Prime Programming Language or PPL for short. For those familiar with TI calculators, PPL is kind of like TI's built in language called TI BASIC however this is better in so many ways. I've just started using it but I've been able to create programs I could only dream of making in TI BASIC at incredible speed! Let's compare a program I made called JPL in three languages. First TI BASIC, next PPL, finally ez80 Assembly. You can see that my PPL and Assembly versions are both far better than my TI BASIC one. And while I programmed my Assembly version with better graphics, I have no doubt that PPL can handle much more complex graphics with better speed. Although PPL is great, I'll have to give the HP Prime a C for programming variety options.



What about the stability of PPL? In TI BASIC if your program encounters an error it simply throws an error and stops the program. In ez 80 assembly if it encounters an error it either stops the program and resets the calculators memory deleting the program in the process or it will freeze requiring you to reset the calculator manually. In PPL it's kind of a mixed bag. Most of the time it will catch the error, stop the program tell you what's wrong. It also contains a fantastic debugger not seen on any TI calculator. Sometimes in complex programs however, PPL will seem to get ahead of itself and crash the calculator. I'll have to give PPL a B for stability, I'd give it lower if not for it's incredible ability to recover from a crash quite well. The program that crashed is not deleted and all your history and settings are kept. Strangely, the apps section often gets mixed up and requires you to put all your apps back where they were which is slightly annoying but bearable. If anything does go majorly wrong, HP provides an on-calculator backup feature that allows you to save and restore your calculator's current state at any time. I'd like to add that HP has two ways for you to reset the calculator manually. One way is by pressing [on] and [symb] at the same time, the other is by pressing the button well hidden in the back of the calculator. HP definitely gets an A+ for recovery options!

Having PPL is great, but what about learning it? The best place for that is on a site called HPmuseum.org It's got dozens and dozens of resources you can use to get familiar with PPL. Unfortunately, the HP community is much smaller than TI's community meaning there are fewer, well experienced members around to help. Overall I believe PPL gets a solid A+ for speed, a B+ for support, and an A overall.



On to a different topic: connectivity. The HP Prime comes with a single micro USB port unlike TI's calculators which have mini USB. Although it's a small complaint, for a calculator this advanced in 2019, I really wish HP had decided to use USB type C since it's more durable and it's the standard connection type now. That's not to say the micro USB isn't enough for most of the calculators connection requirements. Files transfer very quickly between your computer and the calculator. To use the calculator with your computer you need to install the HP Connectivity kit. This isn't unusual, TI requires you to install TI Connect CE to interact with their calculators however it would have been nice if HP had taken after Casio's approach where the calculator just acts like a mass storage device if you just want to look at the contents. With how simple the user interface is, it's not a big complaint. Although HP Connect doesn't look as fancy as TI Connect, it has several key features that are missing from TI Connect. First there's a live update feed of the calculator's screen. Second, you can send a message to one or more connected calculators, third it can detect emulators running on your computer and treat them as if they were a physical calculator! More on that later. Due to the way the HP Prime stores files, HP Connect is a bit more organized than TI Connect. Instead of listing every file at once, it groups them into folders, this makes it much easier to find what you're looking for. I have had issues with physically moving the HP Prime around while it's connected to the computer. For some reason it will often quickly disconnect then reconnect to the computer, and occasionally it will just crash altogether, an issue I never had with my TI 84 Plus CE and it's Mini USB connection. Overall HP Connect gets an A.



Enough about HP Connect, let's go back to the calculator's connection abilities. It can transfer data between calculators that are either wired together or with a wireless adapter, and it can utilize some scientific equipment. Sadly, unlike the TI 84 Plus CE, the HP Prime cannot be used with Human Interface Devices such as keyboards. and it cannot communicate with any other HP Devices such as Printers. Casio already has a feature that allows its calculators to connect to Casio projectors so it would've been a nice surprise to see the HP Prime communicating with other HP devices. The Nspire has similar poor support for external devices however it is at least compatible with the TI keyboard. Overall the HP Prime gets a B for connection support and stability since, although it can connect to wireless adapters and transfers data very quickly, it needs a more reliable port than micro USB, needs to not crash when it loses connection, and HID support would be nice.

I'm sure many of you are waiting for the big catch, performance normally comes with a huge price right? In this case, price is not the catch! When I got my HP Prime G2 back in February of 2019, it actually wasn't available for sale in the US yet, but even after importing mine from the Netherlands and paying the shipping cost, the total price was only 10 dollars more than a full price TI 84 Plus CE, and 25 dollar less than a full price Nspire CX CAS coming in at 160 dollars! Now that it's available in the US, you can get it on BestBuy and other venders for around $150. Even though that's still expensive, compared to the specs list I provided earlier, it's a much better value than the TI calculators. A+ for value!

What if you don't want to fork out 150 dollars just to try out the calculator? Well remember that emulator I mentioned earlier? There's actually free, restricted, iOS app you can just get from the app store. There's also an unrestricted Pro version of the app that cost about 25 dollars for iOS and 20 dollars for Android. There's even a free unrestricted emulator for Windows and Mac. Compared to TI who only offers a computer emulator that costs at minimum 85 dollars, and Casio who only provides a computer emulator that costs 25 dollars; the HP Prime emulator isn't a bad deal. A+ for first party emulator support!



Wow, ok so I've just gone over what this calculator has and what it can and can't do, but what's it like to actually use it? Under normal use it's very nice. As I've said numerous times before, it's extremely snappy. Inputting equations is easy and quick, using the Computer Algebra System is perfect for all the calculations I've needed to perform so far in AB Calculus and Physics C. One issue is the calculator is picky about implied multiplication, an issue not seen on the Nspire or TI 84 Plus CE, and doesn't always throw accurate or helpful errors when you mess something up. For example I cannot do 5 e to the fourth (5e^4) because the calculator thinks that there's an invalid exponent when in fact that's not the issue at all. If I do 5 times e to the fourth (5*e^4) it works perfectly fine. The implied multiplication stopped being an issue for me a while ago because I just started using the multiplication symbol all the time. However the errors need to be more accurate and descriptive to be much help. Therefor I believe it deserves an A- for general use and a C+ for error descriptions.

The last topic I'd like to cover is graphing. It really is a breeze. You can calculate and edit all sorts of functions either from the symbol screen or directly from the graph screen. You can even sketch a rough graph with your finger then fine tune it with the transform function! There's two features that are strangely missing, the first is, for some reason you can't calculate an intersection with the x axis without two or more graphs plotted. Anyways, Just like other calculators, the HP Prime can graph polar, parametric, sequential, and 3D equations. The only missing graphing feature is a parametric 3D grapher. I'll briefly mention the other built in apps, there are several solver apps and statistic apps. A Financial solver app, an in-depth spreadsheet app, and a very powerful geometry app which can graph dozens of functions, shapes, lines, and transformations. Some apps are easier to learn to use than others but it's all possible thanks to the amazing help button. The graphing gets an A+ for the environment and an A for graphing features it only needs a 3D parametric grapher to bump it to an A+.

There's a couple of smaller things I wasn't planning on adding to this review, but they stood out enough that I decided to include them anyways.

First, if you buy your HP Prime G2 in Europe, don't expect a charging block to come with your calculator. Although most people already have a compatible charging block, you may need to order your own. Any wall adapter to USB A that's at least 5 volts and 1 amp will work.

Second, the quality of the cables are good, like really good. They're nice any thick and all come with an electromagnetic interference reducer. Whenever I need to troubleshoot a device through micro USB, these cables have never let me down.

In summary: I truly believe the HP Prime G2 is a great calculator with the potential to be the perfect alternative of an Nspire. Not only did it scored an A overall, it has unmatched hardware performance and reasonable value. However I believe the software support a bit lacking for it to take advantage of the superior specifications. To be fair, the Nspire lineup has a 6 year head start and Casio Classpad lineup has over a decade head start on software features than the HP prime. Hopefully the HP team can include some of the key features missing from the HP Prime soon. Until then, should you buy this calculator? I'd say if you're looking for the fastest, calculator on the market and you're not too worried about the missing features I mentioned, then you'll be very happy with this calculator. If you are worried about those missing features and you're willing to fork over the extra money, then I think you'll be satisfied with either an Nspire CX CAS II or the Casio Classpad fx-cg500. As for me, I'll be leaving my TI 84 Plus CE behind and switching to the HP Prime G2.

Thanks for reading, if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them!

TL;DR
Scores:
A+ for specifications (CPU/RAM/ROM)
A+ for 1st party emulator support
A+ for crash recovery & options
A+ for internal clock quality
A+ for graphing environment
A+ for onboard help
A+ for battery life
A+ for PPL's speed
A+ for boot time
A+ for value
A for night support
A for build quality
A for graphing features
A for home screen environment
A for keyboard quality and experience
A for HP Connect experience & features
A- for general use (math calculations)
A- for PPL as a whole

B+ for font legibility
B+ for PPL's support
B for PPL's stability
B for connection support via USB port

C+ for error descriptions
C+ for LCD experience
C for programming variety options

Average: A-


EDIT: I love these SAX reactions
Quote:
[Cemetech] TheLastMillennial created a new topic [My HP Prime G2 review.]
[Cemetech] KryptonicDragon entered the room
[Kryptonic] jfc
[Kryptonic] That's longer than most news articles on ars technica
[commandz] woah
[Cemetech] _iPhoenix_ entered the room
[ItsJustSomeDude] How long has that been in the works?
[_iPhoenix_] TheL is just jealous of my wpp
[TheLastMillennial] 0x5 I'm saving these reactions Razz


Thank you to: Joe Horn, Benjer, Kryptonic Dragon, toshk, jcgter, cyrille, Tim W., and Runer112 for suggesting edits I eventually changed!
TheLastMillennial wrote:
HP has reduces the pixel density to 114ppi while the Nspire has 123ppi and the TI 84 Plus CE has 142ppi.

Oh boy, I really hate the screen on my Nspire CX CAS, because of the low pixel density. It's honestly a little bit of an eyesore to look at, at times. I can only imagine the quality of the G2's display if it's a lower pixel density.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
Speaking of refresh rates, the HP Prime's refresh rate is not its strong suit. In fact when you look for it, you can see the screen refreshing with just your plain eye.

Refreshing is also visible on my Nspire CX CAS, and I can even see the LCD flickering, especially at lower brightness settings.

I noticed you didn't really comment on the colors of the G2's display, so I'm asking, what are they like?
I'm personally a digital artist, so I have a well color-calibrated desktop monitor that I spend a lot of time staring at, so the screens on every calc I've ever seen don't manage to EVER match in color reproduction (as one should expect), but the CX's screen is particularly gnarly when it comes to colors. It's honestly the worst LCD I've ever looked at.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
but more importantly it contains the help menu that appears when you press the [help] key

So does the CX. How do they compare? I found that, a lot of the times, the help menu on the CX just gives general "you can do this and that" info, instead of actually truly helping with more specific things.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
That's not always necessary though; since the whole system is ASCII based rather than token based, you can just type out the command you want with the alpha keys!

Are you sure it isn't UTF based? From what little I've gathered by programming on the CX, the CX uses UTF-16 (but seriously, don't quote me on that). Considering the similarity in specifications between the CX and the G2, I'd guess the G2 uses UTF as well.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
The program that crashed is not deleted and all your history and settings are kept.

I haven't done much native programming on the CX, but I find that its interpreted language (I don't know what it is called, I don't think it's just "TI-BASIC" because it's very different from the lang used on the CE) is very stable. I haven't managed to get it to crash. Also, before you can run a program, you have to "Check Syntax & Store" it, which does exactly what it says on the tin. The program is syntax-checked before you can save a version of it (but the program is still saved when you save the document the program is defined within).

TheLastMillennial wrote:
The Nspire has similar poor support for external devices however it is at least compatible with the TI keyboard.

I can, for a fact, say that the CX can be used with a keyboard, AND a mouse! Though it requires scouring the depths of the internet for a download of an ndless program that allows such a thing.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
One issue is the calculator is picky about implied multiplication

The only issue I had with implied multiplication on the CX was when putting two variables next to each other, the CX would interpret the two characters as a single variable name, which is completely understandable and makes sense, so I'm not complaining. I haven't had any other issues with implied multiplication.

TheLastMillennial wrote:
doesn't always throw accurate or helpful errors when you mess something up.

Which leads me to ask, does the G2 reformat the input of a calculation, upon calculating it? The CX does, which makes it incredibly easy to see if the CX interpreted something in a manner I didn't expect it to. It also moves your caret to the location of a parsing error, if one occurs.


All in all, nice review, can't wait for the video!
I don't think I'll be buying a G2 anytime soon though, the CX I have has pleased me very well as it has done everything I've needed it to do. The primary reason I like the calculators I have are their programmability, which, from your review, sounds like is lacking on the G2.
Great questions and thanks for the information! Sadly I don't have my own Nspire to directly compare to, so I can't accurately answer some of your questions.
TheLastMillennial wrote:
HP has reduces the pixel density to 114ppi while the Nspire has 123ppi and the TI 84 Plus CE has 142ppi.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
Oh boy, I really hate the screen on my Nspire CX CAS, because of the low pixel density. It's honestly a little bit of an eyesore to look at, at times. I can only imagine the quality of the G2's display if it's a lower pixel density...
Refreshing is also visible on my Nspire CX CAS, and I can even see the LCD flickering, especially at lower brightness settings.
Hmm good to know, I'll see if I can add that to the review.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
I noticed you didn't really comment on the colors of the G2's display, so I'm asking, what are they like?
I'm personally a digital artist, so I have a well color-calibrated desktop monitor that I spend a lot of time staring at, so the screens on every calc I've ever seen don't manage to EVER match in color reproduction (as one should expect), but the CX's screen is particularly gnarly when it comes to colors. It's honestly the worst LCD I've ever looked at.

I didn't even think to look at the colors! Overall I'd say the colors are OK but I'm no graphic designer. As I said above, I don't have an Nspire to compare to so I'll test it against my TI 84 Plus CE. For my particular CE, the whites are are brighter and slightly less beige looking. The blacks are not nearly as dark on the CE than the HP Prime and the HP Prime's blacks aren't as dark as my (uncalibrated) laptop monitor. But for an average Joe like me the colors

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
but more importantly it contains the help menu that appears when you press the [help] key

So does the CX. How do they compare? I found that, a lot of the times, the help menu on the CX just gives general "you can do this and that" info, instead of actually truly helping with more specific things.
It's really helpful, you can do it on any function, command or app and it will give good information on controls, syntax, and arguments. It'll even describe how you could use that command.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
That's not always necessary though; since the whole system is ASCII based rather than token based, you can just type out the command you want with the alpha keys!

Are you sure it isn't UTF based? From what little I've gathered by programming on the CX, the CX uses UTF-16 (but seriously, don't quote me on that). Considering the similarity in specifications between the CX and the G2, I'd guess the G2 uses UTF as well.
Based on TI Planet's wiki it should be UTF-16. My mistake I'll fix that soon™! Just to be sure, I'd say 'the system uses UTF-16 rather than tokens' ?

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
The program that crashed is not deleted and all your history and settings are kept.

I haven't done much native programming on the CX, but I find that its interpreted language (I don't know what it is called, I don't think it's just "TI-BASIC" because it's very different from the lang used on the CE) is very stable. I haven't managed to get it to crash. Also, before you can run a program, you have to "Check Syntax & Store" it, which does exactly what it says on the tin. The program is syntax-checked before you can save a version of it (but the program is still saved when you save the document the program is defined within).
That's interesting, what happens when a ndless program crashes?

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
The Nspire has similar poor support for external devices however it is at least compatible with the TI keyboard.

I can, for a fact, say that the CX can be used with a keyboard, AND a mouse! Though it requires scouring the depths of the internet for a download of an ndless program that allows such a thing.
I'm a little confused by that sentence, are you saying both keyboard AND mouse support require ndless or are you saying just using a mouse requires ndless? Every time I try to use any keyboard with any Nspire I always get the 'this device is not supported' message.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
One issue is the calculator is picky about implied multiplication

The only issue I had with implied multiplication on the CX was when putting two variables next to each other, the CX would interpret the two characters as a single variable name, which is completely understandable and makes sense, so I'm not complaining. I haven't had any other issues with implied multiplication.
Good to know, I'll include that.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
TheLastMillennial wrote:
doesn't always throw accurate or helpful errors when you mess something up.

Which leads me to ask, does the G2 reformat the input of a calculation, upon calculating it? The CX does, which makes it incredibly easy to see if the CX interpreted something in a manner I didn't expect it to. It also moves your caret to the location of a parsing error, if one occurs.
Yes, but only when the calculation you performed isn't invalid. So instead of pushing an invalid calculation to the history, it just pops up an error then keeps the calculation in the entry line without changing anything.

KryptonicDragon wrote:
All in all, nice review, can't wait for the video!
I don't think I'll be buying a G2 anytime soon though, the CX I have has pleased me very well as it has done everything I've needed it to do. The primary reason I like the calculators I have are their programmability, which, from your review, sounds like is lacking on the G2.
Honestly, Prime Programming Language is so incredibly quick and powerful I haven't found myself needing to use any other language. Although it does require you to learn a new language, it's not much harder than learning TI BASIC. I agree new languages are always nice to have, and the community is really pushing HP to add Python support.

Thanks again for these great questions! I'll fix my review as soon as I can!
I've edited the first post with the changes suggested by Kryptonic Dragon, jcgter, and the folks over at the HP Forum. (side note I suggest you go to that topic and read the posts by toshk, you may find them humorous) Particularly the paragraphs: what my prime looks like after a few months, The LCD paragraphs, and what it's like to use the calculator.
I'm almost 25% done with my video, I'd like to make it the best I can so I may upload a few short clips of it here for you to criticize! This first clip shows an animated chart about the screen resolution. I'm happy with how it turned out, but I'd like to know what you guys think and how I could improve it. (I'm leaving background music out until the very end of production)

EDIT: TLM 1300th post!
Maybe you should mention that an advantage to having a larger screen is using the touch screen more easily? I haven't actually used the calc, but I feel like a smaller screen would make it harder to tap on things accurately.
Hey it's been a while. Due to new information that came to my attention (e.g. the font dithering and the G2 being released in the US) and because I wasn't happy with the negative tone that my review seemed to have, I've revised a large part of it. Most of the facts remain the same, however I've rearranged some of those facts and I've added more information along with letter grades for each topic I cover. (A+ being the best and F being unacceptable) I've edited the first post to include these changes. A list of all the scores is at the bottom of the first post. Please let me know if you like the change!

Bleh, in hindsight it wasn't such a good idea to jump into making a video so soon, now I've got to re-record and reshoot footage! Dry
I can't believe it's been almost a full year since I got my HP Prime G2 and 8 months since I started my review! I'm excited to announce that I'm finally finished! I've added the video to the top post but here's a link to it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_9vCZyHdwY I spent so much time on this, I really hope you guys enjoy it!
I can tell that you spent a lot of time on this video! The entire video was interesting, as I didn't even skip through any parts of the video! I am tempted to buy an HP Prime G2 now since it's so so much faster than the CE, and it has a zoomable graph??? That part of the video was really cool! I gave your video a like and subbed. Great work.
Thanks dunlavdy, I appreciate it!

I wanted to make the wall of text more interesting so I decided to add some images and links! Click on any image to enlarge it (except the battery graph, I don't own that image so it's already at full size).

If you're reading this in like 2030 and all the image links are broken, then just know that you can find all the important images in my video review. Laughing
Did you really write all that text?
I watched the video.
HP should add a real RPL
A Bigger, bold font is needed
Beyond the font and the fact not tried an TI84+ CE ( prizm cg50 instead), it seemed to be lasting pretty well. The touchscreen allowing zoom with two fingers is a good feaure and the video reflected the HP after a while.

The font is a matter of time of HP to release an update to include a menu with optional fonts .

DId you try clean the dust using a compressed air can , cotton swap, toothpick ?

Again thanks for the video.
dunlavdy wrote:
... it has a zoomable graph???


The TI84+CE has a zoomable graph too >.>
An interesting new development has come up from HP's latest beta for the G2. There's now a 120hz refresh rate option for the LCD! Surprised
It's not the best high refresh rate screen out there, but it's certainly better than the default 55hz!
See for yourself! (shot at 240fps):
@TheLastMillenial: Watched your video and read this thread. I'm debating buying the HP Prime G2.

How do you feel about this calculator right now? Someone made a comment on your video:

"But I have find many bugs when using hp prime. Sometimes I feel it's an unfinished product."

Your reply:

"Yeah the software is really a big downer on the HP Prime. The developers I know are great people, I just don't know why the team can't push out some of the features and bug fixes quicker."

So I wonder, do you recommend this calculator, or should I consider something else?
Personally, I've been perfectly happy with the current features the HP Prime provides for college classes. It's incredibly quick, I love the touch screen (it really is that much better than the Nspire's touch pad), and I like the UI. None of the bugs I've discovered are deal breakers by any means, they're mainly just minor annoyances that could make it feel unpolished. No calculator is bug-free so whether you should buy a HP Prime all comes down to what you need your calculator to do.

I do recommend you buy the HP Prime as long as you don't need features that are available on the TI-Nspire but missing on the Prime. Such as: an undo button, 3D parametric grapher, more accurate errors, better handled implied multiplication, and (on a jail broken original Nsipre CX) support for Python.

It appears that the HP team is incredibly tiny and can't seem to push out much content very quickly. If the mentioned features are eventually added, it will be the best experience you can have on a calculator. But buy the calculator that has the features you need now and not for the promise of future updates.

I'd also recommend a Prime since I don't expect HP to follow TI's example of ruining a calculator by removing programming.
Thank you for your thoughts, I'm way less worried about the bugs now. Smile

When it was released, I bought a Casio FX-7000G. Accidentally I broke it, and haven't used a graphing calculator since. Now 30 years later, I'd like to have one again. Not for work or school, but just to play with maths, really. And programming too, I think PPL should cover my needs and looks like it's pretty fast.
If you own an HP Prime G2 graphing calculator, at some point you will have to replace the rechargeable Lithium Ion battery. Mine stopped holding a charge for much longer than a few days. If you are like me, then you want to replace it with an OEM battery from HP. The trouble is that HP does not offer a replacement battery, at least as of the date of this post. After some searching for a replacement, I found a post on a discussion group that was almost an after-thought, and it was mentioned that a Samsung G3 cell phone battery might work. So I went over to Amazon to see if I could find a picture and get some idea of price. I found the battery and it was about $12, so I decided that was cheap enough to try as an experiment.

It turns out the Samsung EB-L1G6LLU battery is a drop-in replacement. The only difference in specs from the original HP battery is that the Samsung is rated at 2100 mAh as opposed to 2000 mAh for the original. Everythng else is identical including the fit. My HP Prime is back in business!
Thanks for sharing your research, Jiangshi! Not only for affordability, but also for future-proofing, it's nice to know that there are alternatives to the official battery.
I was just told by some one on the HP Official Forum that there is an official replacement battery from an officially licensed retailer by the name of Moravia Consulting. They are in the Czech Republic, but their site has English and they may have US outlets. I could not find a listing for the battery however, so I sent them a "Contact Us" form requesting information on the battery. I am all in favor of using official replacement parts, but so far, I am not so sure there is one the HP Prime G2. If I find one, I'll report back here. In the meantime, I'll keep pushing buttons ... on my Prime that is, even if it is being powered by a Samsung battery. Wink

KermMartian wrote:
Thanks for sharing your research, Jiangshi! Not only for affordability, but also for future-proofing, it's nice to know that there are alternatives to the official battery.
  
Register to Join the Conversation
Have your own thoughts to add to this or any other topic? Want to ask a question, offer a suggestion, share your own programs and projects, upload a file to the file archives, get help with calculator and computer programming, or simply chat with like-minded coders and tech and calculator enthusiasts via the site-wide AJAX SAX widget? Registration for a free Cemetech account only takes a minute.

» Go to Registration page
Page 1 of 1
» All times are UTC - 5 Hours
 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 

Advertisement