Alright, let's talk about TI-80s again. I've been putting off writing this due to time restrictions.
Basically, TI changed the board up like 451289465132 times in the couple first months. When I initially wrote this topic, I assumed that each hardware revision represented the different versions of the hardware, but it turns out TI changed the hardware without changing the HR a bunch of times. I should have caught on to it since I'd noticed that the early and late revision Cs were different, but I didn't. Since then, I've been trying to accumulate every hardware change, but its a complete guessing game, since they all have the same datecodes and hardware revisions, and thus look identical from the outside. (some that I've gathered have different board numbers and are only 100-200 serial numbers apart) I've managed to collect 15 different MB revisions, and I suspect there are some that I've yet to find.
Here are the results, sorted by serial number:
    HW Rev A
    I-0395A APLMB-30F 2-2
    I-0395A APLMB-30F 1-1
    I-0395A APLMB-30F 1-4
    I-0395A APLMB-30F 1-2
    I-0395A APLMB-30F 2-3
    I-0495A APLMB-30F A1-4
    I-0495A APLMB-30F

    HW Rev B
    I-0595B APLMB-30F A2-4
    I-0595B APLMB-30F
    I-0595B APLMB-30F A3-4

    HW Rev C
    I-0695C APLMB-30F
    I-0695C APLMB-30F 2-1
    I-0695C APLMB-30F 2-4
    I-0695C APLMB-30F A1-2 (Viewscreen only)
    I-0196C APLMB-30F A2-4
    I-1000C TIAPLMB-31G

What I find strange is that the timeline is very wacky, particularly at the beginning (for example, my 1-2's serial number is 161 calculators after my 1-4, and 2-2 is the oldest by a few weeks). For this reason, its very hard to put together a timeline of what changed in each iteration, but I'll try my best.
Every revision aside from the very last one (a 4 year gap) use phillips head screws on the outside, so they only switched to torx head screws towards the very end of production.
In early March 1995, they removed the solder for the comm circuit. (I've said this before, but non-viewscreens use the same boards as viewscreens except that he comm circuit is populated on viewscreens), of course, if you're not gonna populate the pads, there's no need to solder them up.
Between APLMB-30F A1-4 and APLMB-30F (early and late April 1995), they re-added solder paste to the pad for the SMD resistor "R10", but not the resistor itself.
A3-4 has a big old sticker on the LH5359 ROM chip, its the only revision that has that, it seems to still be a sharp ROM, not sure about the exact chip number since it is obstructed by the sticker.
In late 95 or early 96, they started using a Winbond RAM chip instead of the Seikosha chip they had been using. This coincides with the timeframe when Seikosha split up into multiple companies, so presumably, the supply of RAM chips was affected and TI had to find a replacement.
Interestingly, some but not all later revisions all the way until June 1995 had the pads soldered. Initially, I thought this might have been because they had a lot of APLMB-30F made with the "older" design, but in May 1995, they already started using some of the newer design APLMB-30F boards, so this is a complete mystery to me.
In April 1995, they added some blue tape that they stuck on the ribbon cable. Perhaps this reduces tearing/damage? Either way, by 1996, they stopped doing that, so I guess it didn't really matter
Here they are in order of serial numbers (except the viewscreen, which I don't have with me currently)
An interesting thing to note is that in each hardware revision (A, B and C), there is a board numbered APLMB-30F, but they are not the same board, they just bare the same name, which makes things even more confusing.



Full-sized pictures of my entire TI-80 collection are available on my Tiplanet Gallery

As for revisions that I've yet to find:
I've been looking for APLMB-30F 1-3, but I've narrowed it down to a very small serial number gap (03006423 is 1-2 and 03006262 is 1-4), so I'm starting to think that it never made it into MP (since we're talking less than a single production run at this point). It is also possible that they made some in MP, but at a completely different time, since the board numbers seem to only loosely follow numerical order.
I've also yet to find an APLMB-30F A1-1, but I don't even know where to start looking for it, since A1-2 was produced in June 1995 and A1-4 was produced in March 1995.
So, I just looked, & my ViewScreen TI-80 has date code I-0595B. I do not know which motherboard it has, since I either never took it apart or did not take a picture. I do have a picture from a non-ViewScreen I-0695C model, which has its board labeled "APLMB-30F," with "9522" & "22" written to the left of the battery contacts & no solder on the link circuit pads.
Zeroko wrote:
So, I just looked, & my ViewScreen TI-80 has date code I-0595B. I do not know which motherboard it has, since I either never took it apart or did not take a picture. I do have a picture from a non-ViewScreen I-0695C model, which has its board labeled "APLMB-30F," with "9522" & "22" written to the left of the battery contacts & no solder on the link circuit pads.

I'd be very interested in seeing the inside of it, I've never seen a ViewScreen that wasn't revision C, although I've only ever seen a handful of ViewScreens, given how rare they are. I've always assumed they made revision A and B ViewScreen variants, and I'm happy to hear that they did. Yours will definitely not be the same as an I-0695C and I suspect it might even have one of the missing board numbers. If you're interested in opening it up (thankfully TI-80s are some of the easiest calculators to open), I'd be very happy to peek inside.
The calculator you described is this one, but manufactured the week of the 28th of May 1995 instead of the 21st.
why are there soldering pads for an i/o port? If you soldered an i/o port to it, could you get it to link with tilp?
Izder456 wrote:
why are there soldering pads for an i/o port? If you soldered an i/o port to it, could you get it to link with tilp?

I don't know if tilp supports the TI-80, but with the right TI-Graph Link software, yes you could hook it up to a computer, but the OS doesn't contain any code to transfer things like programs, the OS itself or other arbitrary parts of memory. It only supports screen captures, and because the ASIC is proprietary and a little weird, everything we know about it is based off of reading ROM dumps, so doing anything more is extremely difficult.
mr womp womp wrote:
I don't know if tilp supports the TI-80, but with the right TI-Graph Link software, yes you could hook it up to a computer, but the OS doesn't contain any code to transfer things like programs, the OS itself or other arbitrary parts of memory. It only supports screen captures, and because the ASIC is proprietary and a little weird, everything we know about it is based off of reading ROM dumps, so doing anything more is extremely difficult.


OK, that's understandable, as it wasn't designed to do file transfer in the first place.
TiLP supports screenshots on ViewScreen TI-80s via the OS link code. I also wrote a link receiver program for the TI-80 & a link sender program for the PC using libti*, but the receiver program is a mess to enter...it is quite a bit shorter than the TI-81 hack, but unlike on the TI-81, you have to re-enter part of the code every time you want to execute something, instead of just being able to use a keypad shortcut. For that reason, it also pretty much precludes using the calculator as a calculator in between. I would have to see if there is anything that can be hooked reliably.
Here is the inside of my ViewScreen TI-80 with date code I-0595B:



It has motherboard APLMB-30F A1-1, so that probably explains why that one has not previously turned up. It has ViewScreen board TIAPLVIS-30C, which is the same as the one on datamath.org with date code I-0695C.

I notice that J13 is populated to connect a trace leading to a via under the CPU/ASIC to VCC on the ViewScreen models, while the normal models all have J14 populated instead, connecting the same trace to GND. I have no idea where the trace under the ASIC leads from there, but it makes me wonder whether adding link circuitry to a normal TI-80 would work, or whether the relevant part of the ASIC is disabled. I mean, surely it has to do something.

Meanwhile, it seems J5 (non-VS-only) connects VCC to BATT1's positive terminal, which presumably disables the ability to be powered by VIEW-CON.
I was right about it likely being one of the missing revisions! It explains why I had no idea where to look for it, it was probably being produced concurrently with different versions that weren't ViewScreens.

I'm still convinced adding link circuitry to a normal TI-80 would work because they all use the same ASIC. Even though we may not know all the specifics of how it works, populating J13 would tie the correct pin high, which is all that really matters. Its not unlikely that an unused portion of the ASIC may be turned off/disabled on non-ViewScreen variants, but its the same silicon, so it would just be a matter of how the pins are hooked up. In fact, if we took the ASIC and the ROM chip from a non-ViewScreen model and transferred those over to a ViewScreen model, we would probably have a much better chance of success, since we already know the rest of the board ties all the pins correctly.
It doesn't matter for now though since you've already managed to dump both known ROM versions. I guess if another version was found (I really doubt it), then the discussion might come back on the table but for now, none of it seems necessary.
I agree that adding link circuitry to a normal TI-80 should work. (Although if J13 needs to be connected, J14 would need to be disconnected to avoid a short circuit.) I would think it would be a lot easier than transferring the ASIC & ROM (more pins, smaller pitch, vias underneath to avoid), but that probably depends on what tools one has available.

If ROM version 1.0 or 2.0 turned up, it would almost surely have glitches in common with 3.0 & 4.0, so it would probably be possible to dump its ROM through the screen, & indeed, dumping through the link port would still require suitable glitches.

There definitely ought to be a ViewScreen version with ROM 3.0, because that ROM contains linking code (that works in the emulator). Perhaps it contains the 1-3 board that has not yet turned up?

I could make a program that converts between versions 3.0 & 4.0 (i.e., given one version, produces the other). It would not need to contain any of the code of either version (basically just a list of blocks & their offsets plus generic code to adjust the operands accordingly), but I worry some lawyer would find a way to complain anyway.
  
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