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>2014
>still talking about gay marriage
allynfolksjr wrote:
>2014
>still talking about gay marriage


Exactly, it is almost literally the least important issue in the nation and yet it's 2014 and people still are putting it on the level of immigration reform, homelessness prevention, economic reform, environmental protection, abortion/life debates, reform of the 2 party system and attempts to decrease government corruption, NSA, extreme government spending, etc.

It's still degeneracy (religion or not, come on, we all know it's pretty degenerate, whether you deny it or not) and being 2014 doesn't change that, but again it's unimportant compared to almost everything else, so I'm mostly neutral. By neutral, I think the battle is won/lost (depending on what side you're on), and that gay rights will prevail -- I'm just hoping it resolves quickly and we can focus on something of actual importance. Everyone will pretend it's the same as 1960's civil rights when it's obviously not, and we'll have lots of celebration over historically gay figures and have a national "Walt Whitman was Gay" day or whatever. Fine, it's already going to happen. There is absolutely no point in arguing about the legality or morality of it any further, realistically.

The gay movement has grabbed control of the media and no matter how unimportant the movement is, the perceived "sexual and marital rights" of a small minority of the country are going to overshadow more important issues that plague larger groups for many years to come.
Jeez! Why is gay marriage such a problem?!? Marriage is marriage is marriage is marriage. They talk about religion, but that line in the bible is something about not making natural desires into unnatural ones, which could mean anything. If a guy likes guys or a girl likes girls, who are we to argue? It's just like racism to discriminate against them. I mean, it's not like they are getting married with animals.
The Bible wrote:
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing of water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. (Ephesians 5:22-28 NIV)

This is why marriage is important.
Well, we apparently can't go a year without the topic resurfacing, and since the bible verses are starting to get tossed around again, I figured now would be a good time to remind everyone to not be jerks:
elfprince13 wrote:
Just a reminder to keep everything civil. I think this is an important issue, and worthy of discussion, but the use of mockery or epithets will not be tolerated. Everything seems okay so far, but I can feel the temperature in here rising, so this is the official call to keep it calm, cool, and collected.

Remember that issues of religion, sexuality, and gender are all deeply personal, and more than most conversations, this one has the potential to sting.


Also, I think everyone would benefit from actually reading the thread before posting in here, as basically everything has already been covered. You're probably not going to add anything new to the discussion, and it's just going to go in the same circles it has been going in since 2010.
merthsoft wrote:
Well, we apparently can't go a year without the topic resurfacing, and since the bible verses are starting to get tossed around again, I figured now would be a good time to remind everyone to not be jerks:
elfprince13 wrote:
Just a reminder to keep everything civil. I think this is an important issue, and worthy of discussion, but the use of mockery or epithets will not be tolerated. Everything seems okay so far, but I can feel the temperature in here rising, so this is the official call to keep it calm, cool, and collected.

Remember that issues of religion, sexuality, and gender are all deeply personal, and more than most conversations, this one has the potential to sting.


Also, I think everyone would benefit from actually reading the thread before posting in here, as basically everything has already been covered. You're probably not going to add anything new to the discussion, and it's just going to go in the same circles it has been going in since 2010.


Ecclesiastes 1 wrote:
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.


If this topic is important to you, take the time to read all 20+ pages, take notes, and formulate something thoughtful / original to say. If you can't be bothered and/or you're just spouting off, your posts aren't welcome here. Which is to say, impress me, or this topic is just going to be locked and will go to an "approved posts" only format, wherein you can PM me with the content of a hypothetical post asking for permission to post it.


I'm done here.
Why do we have an over 20-page debate on same sex-marriage? If you are religious, than fine, do what you believe in and whats happened over the last thousands of years. If you're for same-sex marriage. Fine, than go for it. There's nothing in the way of that. If you can' stand same-sex marriage than don't expose yourself to forums like this. (sigh), what has this world come to. Once upon a time, you had to "date" a girl in front of the father, and if all things went well you got married. Maybe if we went back to that we wouldn't have a 50% divorce rate (No, I seriously don't mean to actually go all 19th century again. Just saying... WTF has this world gotten to!?!? Mad
This is just a thread about people's different opinions. Also necropost Wink
Such a necropost x__x

That said, I'm not sure how old you are, but it was a much bigger deal then than it is now (even just a few years later).

I'm sure it seems 'obvious' to you that same sex marriage is no big deal, but to others it seems equally 'obvious' to oppose it. Both sides get instant gratification when they announce their views and people can chime in with, "yeah, our opinion is the obvious way, theirs is wrong."

Also, even if that 50% divorce statistic is true anymore, that's still leaving 50% of marriages being life long. And keep in mind that a lot of the divorces are from already divorced people. So ex. If there are 64 marriages and 32 divorce and remarry and then 16 of them divorce and remarry, etc, then there would end up being 127 marriages of which 63 end in divorce, but all but one ends in a marriage that lasts.

So like 98% of those couples end up married for life, resulting in a roughly 50% divorce rate Razz

From this report on baby boomers:
"Approximately 42 percent of marriages that took place between ages 15 and 46 ended in divorce by age 46."

The first report on this CDC page indicates similar rates and that marriage and divorce are declining.

Plus, if a marriage is leaving you feeling terrible and it can't be fixed, why stay in it? People grow and change and divorce can be the right choice. The stigma of divorce is pretty f'd up in my opinion.


In my opinion, marriage should be between one person and a harem of calculators. Polyamory ftw. As long as it's consensual, you do you.

EDIT: Holy heck, totally relevant ad:
Bible verse proving gay marriage wrong:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:24-27
TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
Bible verse proving gay marriage wrong:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:24-27

That just proves that whoever wrote that verse thought it wasn't right, not that it is definitively wrong.
TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
Bible verse proving gay marriage wrong:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:24-27


The Bible is not a legal document. Our country [US] was founded upon the idea of a separation between church and state.
TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
If you're for same-sex marriage. Fine, than go for it.


TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
Bible verse proving gay marriage wrong:

You seemed to have a complete change of heart from your first post to your second one.
In your first post, you said yourself that some people are religious and some aren't, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Why couldn't you just leave it at that and not say that gay marriage is "proven wrong"?
And why did you feel the need to revive a 4 year-old thread to be generally disrespectful to anyone who wants people to be free to love who they want to?
The bible "proves" nothing except to people who believe in Christianity, 5 billion people don't and to them what it says does not mean anything. Not to mention the fact that many Christian churches are open towards people of all sexual attraction and orientation.
I wrote that gay marriage is wrong and that if you're for it though, than go ahead. God gave us a conscious and if you choose it it is not my responsibility to change it (well, there's a couple exceptions to that, one being its one of my own future kids). It says that men started burning with passion for each other and paid the due penalty for it (STD's, etc.).

What I'm saying is gay marriage is wrong and I'm all for if there was ever a law trying to be passed preventing it, but if you're going to be gay, then that's your decision not mine.

dankcalculatorbro wrote:
TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
If you're for same-sex marriage. Fine, than go for it.


TI84plceBasicPro wrote:

The bible "proves" nothing except to people who believe in Christianity, 5 billion people don't and to them what it says does not mean anything. Not to mention the fact that many Christian churches are open towards people of all sexual attraction and orientation.


There are many different church denominations. The one you're talking about are not Presbyterian/other dispensationalist chuches. These "christians" do not know the bible very well.
Whether or not you are fine with same sex marriage or not, I'm sure it's highly based on your religion/personal situation, and from what I read this topic is more about whether the Bible is true or not. Surely another discussion worth, but keep in mind that that discussion is going on for hundreds/thousands years already Razz
Same sex marriage is fine outside of religion. End of story. Okay let's move on and go program.
TI84plceBasicPro wrote:
If you can' stand same-sex marriage than don't expose yourself to forums like this. (sigh), what has this world come to. Once upon a time, you had to "date" a girl in front of the father, and if all things went well you got married. Maybe if we went back to that we wouldn't have a 50% divorce rate (No, I seriously don't mean to actually go all 19th century again. Just saying... WTF has this world gotten to!?!? Mad

I don't usually make posts on subjects that are a little touchy, but I think that by necroposting a thread like this, you are exposing yourself to opinions that surely differ from your own.
I won't be giving out a whole lot of personal opinion, but I think you can guess my position based off the 3 things I am about to mention...
  1. Heterosexual marriages are more likely to end in divorce source
  2. To paraphrase Dawkins, religious people are agnostic/atheist about thousands of other gods, and people who identify as agnostic atheists are only taking it one god further.
  3. Anthropoids have gay sex.
Ask yourself these questions; and if you answer "The Bible" to any of them, ask yourself why.

1) Killing is ___ because
2) Stealing is ___ because
3) Having affairs is ___ because
4) Lying is ___ because

Then ask yourself:

1) Gay marriage is ___ because
2) Divorce is ___ because
3) Evolution is ___ because
4) The earth is ___ years old because

And hopefully you will learn how to think.
Mateo! Those were not real questions ie. they just contained underscores and stuff

*addition*

merthsoft wrote:

Also, I think everyone would benefit from actually reading the thread before posting in here, as basically everything has already been covered.


even weird stuff?

fds and fms?
  
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