http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

This is a video about a loop hole that's been found in the federal tax return system that is costing us billions of dollars a year, that's just being given out to illegal immigrants.

And the IRS knows about it. They seemingly have for years, and nothing is being done.

All they have to do is claim family as dependents, and they don't even have to live with the person. They show an example of one person that claimed 9 nieces and nephews. And those kids live in Mexico.

Discuss. What are your thoughts on this?

We really have to start controlling our borders better.
The entire illegal immigrant thing is seriously getting out of hand

Know what else is costing us way more than just a few billion dollars a year? The military.

How do you suggest we secure our borders? A huge barbed wire fence with machine guns?

Think of it this way. You're having a barbecue in your fenced-in back yard. You invite everyone to come eat at your barbecue. They can all bring their own dishes to share with everyone and further diversify the meal. But your gate is so old and complicated that it will no longer open. Are people, who are all bringing food to your barbecue, now bad because they had to hop your fence to get in? If you don't want people hopping your fence, fix the freaking gate!

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Wow, that post had absolutely -nothing- to do with the reasoning of this topic.

You might want to go watch the video in that link and try again.

The problem isn't with the border. It's with laws written that allow illegal immigrants to claim children that don't even live with them, or aren't even directly related to them, just supposed dependents. That's the complaint with them, and our system that I'm trying to bring to light.

That's pretty messed up, but it can't be fixed until the prevalent hatred of immigrants in the politics of immigration reform is completely quelled. Any proposal to address this specific problem will be poisoned with additional anti-immigrant measures until immigration politics as a whole can be changed.

Also, my previous comment was more a response to qazz and the general vibe of the topic than what you were talking about specifically.

actually that would be a very affective way to control the immigration. ++ to you, good sir.

Reduce all quotas to zero.

FTFY

First, When we arrest illigal imagrants we need to deport them immediately. They arnt citizens so they dont need to go through the legal process that citizens go through, this is a waste of money.
Second, if the IRS knows about the illigals, they need to round them up and as said before, deport them.
Third we need to fix the laws that deal with immigration, and make them more strict, while loosing the anchor baby loop hole.

This is exactly the opposite of what we should do. Immigration law is already far too strict, making it impossible for most people to immigrate legally. That's why there are so many illegals. They aren't doing it because they like being criminals, they aren't doing it because it's fun, they're doing it because there is no legal alternative. People won't hop your fence if your gate works correctly. Let's fix the flipping gate.

Also, FYI, if we "fix the anchor baby loophole" everyone who isn't part Cherokee has to be deported.

Making it easy is not good for the country, it can drain reasources realy fast which is why they made the immigration laws in the first place.
Second, there were not governments in the Americas like there are now, and According to scientists the Native Americans weren't here origionaly either! So are you saying that all Native Americans should be deported also?

I don't even? What? Drain on resources? Immigration brings resources to the country in the form of fresh ideas, fresh labor, additional tax revenue, new culture, and new customers for businesses. Read my barbecue metaphor above. Everybody brings their own unique dish to the party to share. The more people you let in, the more diverse the meal becomes and the better your barbecue will be.

laws cannot be applied retroactively.

there needs to be a better system for controlling the border. it is a problem more because of the drug and slave trafficking than because a few people are coming and living here. in order to prevent those people from doing so, and further convoluting an already messy situation, however, the immigration process itself does need to be reworked so that it isn't easier to break the law. another thing that needs to be done to relieve border tensions is to make all drugs legal. yes, it's true that these substances can have a negative impact on society, and it's a decision that would never be agreed upon today, but it is a preferable alternative for many reasons:

firstly, it would remove a great deal of the illegal cash flow that is fueling the drug wars going on today. if some kid in L.A. can snort his cocaine without having to pay the guy that knows a guy who carted it over the border hidden in a shipment of bicycles, that means $80 fewer going to the people carrying out beheadings and forced gladiatorial matches every day. as it stands, though, mexico is lined up to become the next africa, with all the tiny factions, corrupt military governments, starvation, and rampant disease that entails.

secondly, it would increase the overall public awareness of the drugs, making things much safer overall. imagine if a teenager's first introduction to "coke," "acid," "heroin," or "ecstasy" was not an unlabelled baggy or used tylenol bottle carried by "it's cool, man" friends, but rather a display in a grocery store right next to the alcohol and tobacco, bearing FDA distributed labels with the side effects of each. the communities for harder drugs may be smaller, but they are just as resilient, not giving in any more than people drinking alcohol during the temperance movement. the solution is not to just assume that everyone is too stupid to take care of their own bodies, but rather to give them the information they need to make a clear decision. doing so would reduce greatly the number of school students who are pressured into it and then become addicted, and those who choose to use the drugs anyways would at least know fully what they are getting into. there would also be fewer people crowding into loud, cramped, unsanitary rooms to inject themselves and then crashing on the drive home.

wow, that was a bit of a rant, and almost completely unrelated.
yes, the IRS definitely needs to get their craps together.

Agreed.

That doesn't sound "affective" at all; in fact, pretty much the opposite. It might prove to be effective, though. And rather inhumane, at that. They're people, not diseased rodents.

As for the loophole, that honestly seems like a pretty dirty workaround that needs to be patched by the IRS. Debating whether or not allowing illegal aliens into our nation under our noses is one thing, but this seems more like common sense in my opinion. It's abuse of the system. As for a solution to fix it, I don't really have one to bring to the table (as if the IRS would listen to me anyways, though.)

There is so much stupid in this thread

Says the man who can't even put correct punctuation at the end of his sentences.

If you feel that this thread is stupid, by all means, leave.

That's looks like pretty yummy troll food you're cooking there. I suggest you don't feed it to him, though.

Thanks for re-emphasizing that point, because I think it's an important one. The topic title may be leading people of track though...

I'm not too worried about this particular loophole though, because as of now, our economy is so bad, the illegal immigrants don't want to be here anymore.


So are Medicare/Medicaid & Social Security. Between the military and those 3 things, only one of them is actually part of the role of the government, as defined by the Constitution. In principle, I actually think that all 4 of them are worthy things to be funding (even if I'd strongly prefer the welfare programs to be funded by private charity), except that in reality, most of that money is being thrown away because of our insane nation-building complex and our insane insurance industry (and our insanely litigious populace and the cost of malpractice insurance).

Your idea of a free and open border will drain resources. It will also create a huge backlog when trying to grant all of those poeple citizenship, the government would have to hire MORE poeple and buy MORE electronics to get the job done, causeing more spending and thus draining resources.

Your barbecue metaphore also only works if they are actually invited. LEGAL immigration is just fine, but illigal imigration is not.