I only have one reason to dislike apple over other companies (most have the non-open issue that jailbreaking brings up) and that is the cost of their products. I'm never paying double the price for a marginally better product, if that.

Fast, native development (if you call objective C native), but you have to pay Apple to develop for your device, you have to get Apple to approve your software, Apple can arbitrary withdraw your application from availability on a whim, and if they design a competing software, they can remove your application (which has happened many times).

Fast, native development (if you call objective C native), but you have to pay Apple to develop for your device, you have to get Apple to approve your software, Apple can arbitrary withdraw your application from availability on a whim, and if they design a competing software, they can remove your application (which has happened many times).

Fast, native development (if you call objective C native), but you have to pay Apple to develop for your device, you have to get Apple to approve your software, Apple can arbitrary withdraw your application from availability on a whim, and if they design a competing software, they can remove your application (which has happened many times).

Unrelated to the quoted post at hand, Apple also has a rather integrated user experience that I've come to enjoy. I can send photos from my iOS device to my TV through the AppleTV. As long as I'm on the same network as an AppleTV, it'll show up. Same with my iTunes library from my computer. As soon as an AppleTV joins my network (or I join one with an aTV) it's listed on all devices within the network. It's great. My family gathers around the TV streaming photos and videos to it every now and again; after my dad goes camping, after my mom hosted an event at her school, after my sister gets home from school. I can also stream compatible iOS games to the aTV.

And you know what's unique about that? Not a thing. Network auto discovery is hardly unique or hard. Hell, my PS3 and XBox360 both happily discover all the media on all my random computers on the same network with zero setup. And all my Windows boxes all happily list the personal folders I have on other computers automagically.

And for streaming iOS games to the TV, aside from the "why the hell would you want that?", I just plug my phone in with an HDMI cable and screw being limited to "compatible games".

Layman's terms for UPnP. What pretty much doesn't have that these days? Also, good job bringing computers into a primarily mobile handset thread. So, relatedly, when is Android getting this and will it be compatible with Roku boxes?

I forget no one is here to correct my mistakes. All games can be streamed, since it's a built-in feature of iOS5, only for the iPad 2 & iPhone 4s.

Games that actually recognize screen/video mirroring justify a true "compatibility," the way I see it. Though I've only seen that displayed with the iPad 2. In the YouTube thumbnail below, notice the iPad there with the map graphic while the TV displays the actual game.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Video Mirroring can be initiated within an App, not just from the "hidden dock" from the image above.

Also, you're the one who brought up PCs and non-mobile devices, I just followed suit. Good job at failing.

Of course I can also use my android device as a remote/controller for a PC or GoogleTV device - so still not unique or special to Apple, regardless of whether or not it is actually useful or worthwhile.

But nothing to connect to? That's a shame and a waste. There's got to be *something* out there that can display the Android screen then. So I repeat the question and add, will the Android be compatible with Roku boxes and if not what?

Sure, I brought up five words, eight if you count the whole sentence. Kudos goes to you for emphasizing that into an entire post. Don't miss it, I mentioned this was a *primarily mobile handset thread,* I even bolded it for you in this post above.

Hurray for great experiences. I don't have any desire to have 1.5 HD videos (720p aTV and a high resolution display on my phone) playing on a single core chip inside my iPhone 4.

Why not? Handsets are a growing game platform and contender. With dual-core chips landing in iPhones and Android Handsets, we're seeing better games that are too detailed and complex for a pocket-sized screen. Being able to push the video to a TV while keeping the handset active, for menu's and (motion) control, is great.

Wait, where did I say that was special or unique to Apple? I never brought up controllers or remotes, so how does that last part tie in to anything?

Bold all you want, you still brought it up. And you used way more than five words or one sentence. Since you're a bit slow I'll clue you in - Apple TV isn't mobile.

Psst, guess what? The CPU isn't used much at all to play back videos, and the GPU in the iPhone 4 can *totally* handle 720p without issue. There isn't any technical restriction for that - it's a marketing one. Apple wants you to spend money on new shiny.

Because handsets are slow as balls - even the newest dual core ones with the high end GPUs. And no, they are no where near being too detailed for a pocket sized screen, and blowing it up just makes you realize how ugly it really is.

*sigh* Yes, you did bring up controllers.

wow, this slug-fest is more fun to watch than the Perry/Romney debates...

It's not that I don't hate closedness, it's just that I can't hate apple over other companies for it. Notice that for most android phones you still have to get an exploit before you can root it. The exceptions are nice, but they're still exceptions, far from the norm.

And yeah, I dislike the nspire's closedness too, that's why I'm still on OS 2.0 and using ndless can't wait for ndless 3 tho.