On the other hand, HP needs to rethink their pricing in Canada. Over here, the HP 50g goes for $208, the TI-Nspire CX $165 (the CAS model is $200, but it's very hard to find), the Casio PRIZM $130 and the ClassPad 400 $170. If the 50g is this expensive over here, imagine how it will be for the HP Prime (I guess... $300?)
DJ_O wrote:
On the other hand, HP needs to rethink their pricing in Canada. Over here, the HP 50g goes for $208, the TI-Nspire CX $165 (the CAS model is $200, but it's very hard to find), the Casio PRIZM $130 and the ClassPad 400 $170. If the 50g is this expensive over here, imagine how it will be for the HP Prime (I guess... $300?)
Wow! That's pretty awful. I should stop by the Wallymart & Staple's(conveniently located on my route to Pt. Pelee Dr.) in Leamington next I go over...

I forgot how the Prizm was. I just bought one @ an OfficeMax/Staples/Office Depot(don't recall which) that stock...

The CP & Prime were within a couple dollars of each other, really c. $140 (rounding up) and the nspire cx cas is right in the same range... still the CP has absolutely NO business being in that price range simply because it's very slow and gimped.

If the CP was the only choice I'd just say oh well and use maxima + n5 instead of a calc even with the godawful input, calc speed would more than make up for that annoyance.

I still cannot believe that it cannot do 1989 ^ 1989 w/stock OS/calc app thingy. (At least it didn't take hours for that to blow up though... as IIRC the Prizm eats up it's batts attempting to resolve that over the course of a day...)
Joy, 'nother double post.

Anyways, there was a fw update(11/25/13, released to public 12/3/13) for the Prime.

Personally, I just did the update and well, haven't done much with it yet, as I *cough* purchased a Vita *cough* in Amazon's BF deal so the Prime languishes for the moment as Person 4 Golden beckons, along with Monster Hunter FU.

Prior to the update I was a bit squeamish of doing much as purportedly RPN mode enabled borked various other apps in BAD(corrupting flash) ways, as apparently did xferring stuff with the connectivity kit. From what I can tell so far from various places this MAY have been fixed, so I'll be more interested in poking more later.

FX-CP400 sits in the corner and cries it's overpriced eyes out, as in I'm thinking that it might be wise for me to pop the batts out of it as it's pretty slow stock and nowhere nearly as interesting as the prime, plus well I'm thinking of HP 30b -> WP 34S as well which is also more interesting than Casio's feeble offering. IOW I'm pretty much officially giving up on doing much w/the classpad II(that's what Casio apparently intends for it to be called).

Actually thinking of the WP 34S, I wonder how difficult it would be to re-purpose the Prime to a useful pure RPN calc. The CAS is open source, mostly written by Cyril de Brebbison(sp?) who also did most of the "apps" at least for the Prime and provided the original tools to re-purpose the HP 30b to a WP 34S... ...would also likely be better than their follow on WP 43S musings for more of us I think.

The WP 34S guys are stuck on the HP 42S and replicating it ad nauseum which is fine to a point, but pretty much wasteful IMO since they're also considering newer/better hw/specs than the 30b(whopping 6KB RAM, although a good deal of it sort of runs off the 128KB flash, but they've already dissed graphing, which I'll go ahead and add on by implication CAS and any other useful functionality beyond the basic numerical analysis.

[EDIT]
Oh yeah, that Vita package from Amazon(their walking dead bundle), comes w/the 3G Vita which also was at fw 1.0.6, so it's potentially hackable OOB or upgrading to fw 2.12 for kernel/perma hack or 2.62(IIRC) for user mode temp hacks... me I bought it to play some recent games, so I let it upgrade to the latest 3.0 fw.

For a game system hacking(handheld) the Nintendo 3DS looks more promising, as there are a few exploits and a hw card, Gateway 3DS for 3DS mode, i.e. they're beyond just unlocking running unsigned code in DS mode and fully "native" apparently, while Vita stuff seemed mostly "psp" "mode".
[/EDIT]
I honestly think that, while the 42S is a nice platform (although it had some UI regressions from the 41CX), and I like using a FOCAL calculator a lot, doing an open RPL implementation would be more valuable.

And, really, both the Prime and 50g would be fairly trivial to repurpose in that regard.

Oh, and the 41C family could do graphing with the right add-on module, just not on the screen. So, well... given that the 42S love really comes from 41-family love...
bhtooefr wrote:
I honestly think that, while the 42S is a nice platform (although it had some UI regressions from the 41CX), and I like using a FOCAL calculator a lot, doing an open RPL implementation would be more valuable.

And, really, both the Prime and 50g would be fairly trivial to repurpose in that regard.

Oh, and the 41C family could do graphing with the right add-on module, just not on the screen. So, well... given that the 42S love really comes from 41-family love...
50g's kind of a PITA to reprogram IIRC, while the Prime it's pretty much point-and-click, besides I'd take a 400MHz ARM9 over a ~203MHz any day of the week, plus a resonably nice color/touch screen OTOH I miss the dedicated keys, well multipurposed.

41CV/42S Really before my time, but yeah I suppose that they could probably graph after a fashion to a printer or something, but that's extra items to carry to no other useful purpose. I'd rather have a more modern display and be able to use that to do everything and MOAR(TM)! Ideally it'd be Mathematica in my pocket... maybe an rpi project now since we have mathematica, just need a nice little display, case, and keyboard(eyes up fx-cp400, or you're lucky you have a crap kb...)

[EDIT]
Really my 2nd biggest gripe about the Prime so far is that it's cover is such a PITA to switch around... just hope that it wears over time to a point where it slides on/off more readily...
[/EDIT]
The only thing that's a PITA about reprogramming a 50g's firmware is getting the special dance to get the bootloader to read off the SD card.

I don't think anything's signed.



Code:
EXPORT wavyanim()
BEGIN
DIMGROB_P(G4,336,256);
DIMGROB_P(G3,320,240);
DIMGROB_P(G1,63,15, {#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#0:64,#4010401000000000:64,#4010:64,#0:64,#0:64,#4010000000000000:64,#40104010:64,#0:64,#4000000000000:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4010401040100004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4010401000040004:64,#4000400044010:64,#4000400040004:64,#7FFF000900040004:64,#97FFF00097FFF:64,#7FFF7FFF00097FFF:64,#7FFF7FFF00097FFF:64,#97FFF7FFF0009:64,#7FFF00097FFF7FFF:64,#7FFF00097FFF7FFF:64,#7FFF00097FFF7FFF:64,#97FFF7FFF0009:64,#9401040104010:64,#97FFF7FFF7FFF:64,#97FFF7FFF7FFF:64,#7FFF000900097FFF:64,#4010401040100009:64,#7FFF00097FFF0009:64,#7FFF7FFF7FFF0009:64,#67FF67FF000D0009:64,#67FF000D67FF000D:64,#67FF67FF67FF000D:64,#D67FF67FF000D:64,#67FF000D67FF67FF:64,#67FF67FF000D67FF:64,#67FF67FF000D67FF:64,#D67FF000D67FF:64,#4010000D67FF67FF:64,#67FF000D40104010:64,#67FF000D67FF67FF:64,#67FF000D67FF67FF:64,#D67FF000D000D:64,#D401040104010:64,#D67FF000D67FF:64,#D67FF67FF67FF:64,#1200124FFF0012:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#4FFF001200124FFF:64,#124FFF00120012:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#4010401000120012:64,#124FFF00124010:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#401000124FFF0012:64,#4FFF001240104010:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#1600124FFF0012:64,#33FF0016001633FF:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#1633FF00160016:64,#16001633FF0016:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#4010401040100016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#16001633FF0016:64,#40104010001633FF:64,#1633FF00164010:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#1BFF001B001633FF:64,#1B1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1BFF1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1BFF1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1B001B1BFF001B:64,#1BFF001B1BFF1BFF:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#2573001B1BFF001B:64,#1B401040104010:64,#1B1BFF1BFF1BFF:64,#1B1BFF1BFF1BFF:64,#1BFF001B001B1BFF:64,#401040104010001B:64,#1BFF1BFF1BFF001B:64,#1BFF1BFF1BFF001B:64,#3FF03FF001F001B:64,#3FF001F03FF001F:64,#3FF03FF03FF001F:64,#1F03FF03FF001F:64,#3FF001F001F03FF:64,#1F03FF001F03FF:64,#1F03FF001F03FF:64,#1F03FF001F03FF:64,#40104010001F03FF:64,#3FF001F40104010:64,#3FF001F03FF03FF:64,#3FF001F03FF03FF:64,#1F03FF001F001F:64,#1F401040104010:64,#1F03FF03FF03FF:64,#1F03FF03FF03FF:64,#1B1BFF001B001B:64,#1B1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1B001B001B1BFF:64,#1BFF001B001B1BFF:64,#1BFF001B001B001B:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#40104010001B001B:64,#1B1BFF001B4010:64,#1B1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1B1BFF001B1BFF:64,#1B001B1BFF001B:64,#1BFF001B40104010:64,#1BFF001B1BFF001B:64,#16001B001B001B:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#33FF001600160016:64,#1633FF00160016:64,#1633FF00160016:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#4010401040100016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#33FF001633FF0016:64,#16001633FF0016:64,#40100016001633FF:64,#1633FF00164010:64,#1633FF001633FF:64,#4FFF001200160016:64,#4FFF4FFF00124FFF:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#4FFF4FFF00122573:64,#1200124FFF0012:64,#4FFF00124FFF4FFF:64,#4FFF00124FFF4FFF:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#124FFF4FFF0012:64,#12401040104010:64,#124FFF4FFF4FFF:64,#124FFF00124FFF:64,#4FFF00124FFF4FFF:64,#4010401000124FFF:64,#4FFF00124FFF0012:64,#257300124FFF0012:64,#67FF67FF000D2573:64,#67FF67FF67FF000D:64,#4010000D67FF000D:64,#D67FF67FF000D:64,#67FF000D000D67FF:64,#67FF67FF000D67FF:64,#D67FF000D67FF:64,#D67FF000D67FF:64,#4010000D67FF67FF:64,#67FF000D40104010:64,#67FF000D67FF67FF:64,#67FF000D67FF000D:64,#67FF67FF000D67FF:64,#D40104010000D:64,#D67FF000D67FF:64,#40104010000D67FF:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9401000090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#4010401000090009:64,#9000900094010:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000900090009:64,#9000940104010:64,#9000900090009:64,#4401040100009:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000440100004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4010401040100004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4000400040004:64,#4010000400040004:64,#4000400044010:64,#4000400040004:64,#2573257340104010:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325734010:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573401040104010:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#4010401025732573:64,#2573257325732573:64,#4010257325732573:64,#4010:64});

FOR B FROM 0 TO 240 STEP 16 DO
FOR A FROM 0 TO 320 STEP 16 DO
BLIT_P(G4,A,B,A+16,B+16,G2,0,160,16,176);
END;
END;
62▶A;
0▶B;
0▶C;
0▶D;
.03▶E;
WHILE 1 DO
BLIT_P(G3,0,0,320,240,G4,D,D,320+D,240+D);
FOR A FROM 0 TO 62.75 STEP .25 DO
C+E▶C;
IF C>.5 OR C<-.5 THEN
-E▶E;
END;
B+C▶B;
BLIT_P(G3,32+(A*4),30-B,34+(A*4),114+B,G1,A,0,A+1,15,RGB(128,0,128));
END;
D+1▶D;
IF D=16 THEN
0▶D;
END;
FOR A FROM 0 TO 3 DO
FOR F FROM 0 TO 3 DO
TEXTOUT_P("©2014 DJ Omnimaga - www.omnimaga.org",G3,17+F,215+A,3,#000039);
TEXTOUT_P("Press Enter",G3,107+F,151+A,6,#000039);
END;
END;
TEXTOUT_P("©2014 DJ Omnimaga - www.omnimaga.org",G3,18,216,3,#FFFFFF);
TEXTOUT_P("Press Enter",G3,108,152,6,#FFFFFF);
BLIT_P(G0,G3);
END;
END;


What do you choose? Nspire Lua or HP PPL? What about fx-CP400 Basic? Cool

(Note sure if code is good, but it's just to show that I'm not cheating by using pre-rendered copies of the wavy title logo)
Wow, I continue to be blown away by the power of the Prime. Do you plan to turn this into an actual game, or just a flashy title screen? Wink Does this take advantage of some new Prime features, or just whatever my engineering sample calculator has in its OS?
Most likely a game, but of course, to proceed into coding the entire thing, it requires more motivation. Smile

And nope, this title screen doesn't take advantage of any of the new features. However, I plan to add fade-in/out effects between screens in the future, by using the polygon features, since that's the only command that supports some kind of alpha transparency (other than text).


I wonder how fast Nspire Lua 3D graphing would be?
That's really impressive stuff, DJ_O; thank you for sharing that video! I didn't realize someone had already been working on Tetris and Minesweeper for the Prime; I should get those users to contribute their programs to the Archives. Smile I also need to wrap up some of the TI projects on my queue to get time to learn the Prime programming language and start writing programs, as I'm very curious to explore that amount of speed and functionality.
> They probably thought that it was public domain
> since the game itself never had credits in it

That reminds me of 1977-78 on the Level One Radio Shack TRS-80. I took a teletype Star Trek game idea, and completely changed it to become an onscreen game in 16 K of memory. The program filled memory so full that all I had room for was my name in a remark at the start.

SLUG (St Louis Users' Group) founder PROUDLY told me he removed my name so that it would no longer be copyrighted.

Radio Shack salesman were telling customers that if they upgraded to 16K (from the standard 4K) they'd throw in that game.

One customer tracked me down and sent me $15. She said that she and her husband learned TRS-80 programming from studying my code, but she had to call about ten Radio Shacks before she could find someone who would admit to knowing who I was.

Radio Shack's INTERCOM magazine (the magazine for dealers and the company) had an article about me that showed me playing my game in my customized Computervan. I used to have a copy, but so many of my boxes got thrown away.

Thanks for the memories.

HungryByteman wrote:
That Intercom article was sometime in late summer or fall or winter 1978, if anyone happens to find it.
Welcome, John, and I'm sorry that you had to deal with your work being stolen in such a blatant fashion. I used to release many of my assembly programs with source, but after people started claiming credit for my work, I had to switch to only giving the source to select programmers who asked for it.

I'm afraid I could only find the May 1978 Intercom issue online.
It even happens with non-programming topics. I remember one time that I was in a mail-group list years ago where I put hours into explaining and demonstrating how to manually calculate the square root of a number.

Weeks later, I saw my word-for-word explanation get sent to another student, with another tutor's signature, implying he had written it.

Maybe someone who works at R.S. will find the article.

John
  
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