Casio-Scene Closes due to Legal Problems

gbl08ma · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 08:56:37 am Post subject:

Perhaps the right thing to do is let Matt on his own, maybe he will eventually settle and stop with hate messages?
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Lionel Debroux · Power User Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 416

Letting Matt on his own is part of the solution. IMO, the other part of the solution is CS coming back online.
Letting the Casio scene without a quality site [EDIT: just to clear up a potential misunderstanding that I've found when re-reading my message: I meant "one of its quality sites", not "its only quality site"] would be a bad outcome.
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DJ_O · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 01:02:14 pm Post subject:

By the way, has the original owner of CK, Sean Tan/Casiokingdom, have been contacted about the whole incident (including Casio-Scene opening)? I wonder what would be his say on the entire matter, as site founder?
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Jim Bauwens · New Member Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 96 Location: Belgium

As far as I can see Helder hasn't done anything wrong.
From reading discussions on multiple forums, here is what I understand.

1. Helder used an old backup of Casio Kingdom as base for Casio Scene. No hacking was involved
2. Helder had nothing to do with the website redirect, and even discouraged the use of it
3. Helder has been much much more polite than Matt everywhere
4. Helder tried to contact Matt in multiple ways regarding the new website, but he did not respond

Helder may have done some stuff wrong, but everything he did was to support the community. The response of Matt is just wrong, and it looks like he is not willing to listen at all.
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jwalker · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 03:30:17 pm Post subject:

I agree, all matt is doing is going on a slander spree, and it makes him and his site look bad.
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ruler501 · Advanced Newbie Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 63

Not only is he slandering helder he is also blocking all speech that may construed as being against him. Out of the 3 posts I have made on the site 2 have been deleted and one had half of the content removed. They were both civil and had polite requests or added to the conversation. One of the ones that was deleted was asking for the admins(matt) to give reasons for deletions of posts and moderation/censoring of posts less then 5 hours after I posted it it was deleted. I think that it may be best if casio-scene reopened as Casio Kingdom is no longer a viable community forum with matt in charge
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DJ_O · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 10:56:30 pm Post subject:

I am glad that on Omnimaga (at least since Early 2007), Cemetech, TI-Planet and (from what I saw) Planet-Casio, when you state an opinion that is contrary to the site staff's overall point of view, your post doesn't get deleted nor edited. When I want to express my view on something politely, even if I get told to stop or to go back on-topic (regardless of if it's because the staff wants the discussion to end or if it's to hide my side of the story), I will still continue as long as I didn't fully finish. Afterward I am OK if a ban ensue with no post deletion: At least my view remains intact among opposing views.

That said, Matt can run the site the way he wants. He just won't get the same amount of support if members disagreeing with him or his actions are silenced.
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KermMartian · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 10:59:48 pm Post subject:

jwalker, jimbauwens, et alia: I agree that opinions are certainly welcome, and I'm glad everyone is being more or less civil in this thread. However, if you feel that Matt is being slanderous, I do worry that those signatures of yours might be stooping to the same level that you're saying you see in others. Perhaps they're not the most calm and rational choice?
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DJ_O · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 11:07:56 pm Post subject:

Would "Support Helder7 and save Casio-Scene" with a link to this thread be fine?
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KermMartian · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 11:10:12 pm Post subject:

DJ_O · Posted: 05 Aug 2012 11:33:52 pm Post subject:

I agree that perhaps linking to this thread in particular or the locked Omni thread from last week in our signatures might be slanderous, as we still don't know if Matt is really in the wrong regarding how he dealt with closing Casio-Scene and we may never fully know, but in the case of linking to posts regarding Matt's current actions (the badges and the strong anti-Helder7 campaing/brainwashing), I would think that it is not slander considering it's true, right?
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KermMartian · Posted: 06 Aug 2012 12:06:24 am Post subject:

Perhaps, but there's a difference between strong statements made in passion and anger and a mature response to a delicate and controversy-fraught situation, I think. Smile

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As far as I know slander is when wrong information is given. In this case the statement is completely true.
I added it to my signature because someone requested it, and also I do not disagree with it nor see it as immature Wink

I've been trying to collect some information regarding the whole issue, and here is what I found:

http://community.casiocalc.org/topic/6740-casio-kingdom-becomes-casio-scene/
-> Shows clearly that Helder did not 'hack' into Casio Kingdom and make it redirect. Why would he not recommend people using them if he made it ?
-> Only posts/applications/usernames/passwords up to 2009 are imported from a backup according to the above link and data on varius forums.
Helder joined Planet-casio and Omnimaga on 24 December of last year. He started discussions together with flyingfish on the 2nd of January this year to backup Casio Kingdom. First they were just downloading what they could from the old site but on 13 April Helder managed to import a backup from Casio Kingdom. The source of this backup is unknown, most likely it is the backup that is talked about here: http://www.110mb.com/forum/index.php?topic=49127. Also, that post dates back to three days before Sean stepped down and transfered ownership to Matt. Even if this wasn't the database, it could never have been dumped by Helder .. as so far as I know he wasn't active during this period.

Now, does anyone else have proof that Helder actually committed a crime ? In all the data I found nothing points to this.
Together with the fact that Casio-Scene is gone, I think my signature is perfectly to the point.

(I hope I don't seem rude in this post, it's not my intention)
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DJ_O · Posted: 06 Aug 2012 07:00:53 pm Post subject:

Mass-e-mail was sent from CasioKingdom, apparently defaming Helder7, according to Lionel Debroux...
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KermMartian · Posted: 06 Aug 2012 07:16:37 pm Post subject:

DJ_O · Posted: 06 Aug 2012 08:23:14 pm Post subject:

Actually it might be a false alarm. There are chances that the e-mail Lionel received is the password reset notice Matt sent to every member during the past few days (due to CK having 13000+ members, it takes a few days for all e-mails to be processed).

However, regardless of if a second e-mail was sent or not, the password reset one actually contained a link to the badges and potentially false claims about Helder7.

Here's the password reset e-mail that Helder7 got:

KermMartian · Posted: 06 Aug 2012 08:38:05 pm Post subject:

There have been several Casio coders from the ex-Casio Kingdom/Scene who have stopped by and introduced themselves here in the last couple of days, and I've encouraged them to upload their work to the archives. Unfortunately, we don't really have a place for fx-9860 programs, as few of our members are 9860 programmers.
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